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Who Rules This Country, The Government On The People's Behalf, The Government Who Make The Laws Or The Judges Who's Job It Is To Enforce The Law?
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.kromo: "Speaking of which - I find the language of "treachery" used to describe Remainers somewhat disturbing." - no one is calling remainers traitors per se it is those that seek to ignore the democratic will of the people that acquire that labeling. Anyway I am grateful to you as a remain voter to have the backbone to assert that we should obey the choice of the people.
That's the problem, Daisy. If ordinary people cannot influence the people who govern them by voting, then Democracy is dead. It's not the best system, but it is the one by which we live. Without a 'say', then ordinary people only have civil disobedience and, indeed, rioting to express their feelings. I do not want our country to descend to that and go back a couple of centuries, but I very much fear that that is a possibility. We live in dangerous times.
It shouldn't delay it. Just get on and discuss it in parliament for an hour. Job done.
Regardless of what they think personally or how their constituents voted, they represent the country and should not go against the majority.
Any MP who does not believe in democracy and votes against invoking A50 should then be booted out.
Regardless of what they think personally or how their constituents voted, they represent the country and should not go against the majority.
Any MP who does not believe in democracy and votes against invoking A50 should then be booted out.
// Judges are not there to enforce the law. That would be the police.//
i agree....
what law have they broken ( or will break ) ?
um the case of proclamations 1610
( well you did ask AOG )
the king cannot change the law of the land by proclamation
the proclamation would be the triggering of A 50 by a minister
and the laws abrogated would be those rights given under the EU treaties - direct access to european courts ( a hate object for AOG but still a right)
the whole judgement is here
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/judgment-r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-eu-20161103.pdf
i agree....
what law have they broken ( or will break ) ?
um the case of proclamations 1610
( well you did ask AOG )
the king cannot change the law of the land by proclamation
the proclamation would be the triggering of A 50 by a minister
and the laws abrogated would be those rights given under the EU treaties - direct access to european courts ( a hate object for AOG but still a right)
the whole judgement is here
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Zacs-master seems to be under the illusion that only the remainers were or are capable of understanding what the vote was about.
Most leavers I would suggest knew it would be tricky, at time rocky and not everyone would be a an automatic winner either in the short term or some unfortunately long term. What bretixers know and the remainers seem to be oblivious to is that the UK is capable. Capable of making trade deals, capable of setting and implementing our own laws, capable of great humanitarian works throughout the world under our own terms, capable of defending ourselves and helping with making the world safe. We are capable of continuing to work with any and all our past and future partners in counter terrorism, fraud, medicine and research etc etc etc we will not suddenly repeal all laws that came from the EU and revert back to Victorian work houses. We will just not implode. We will, given the free chance become a force for independent thinking, prosperous powerhouse.
Just because we voted leave does not mean we are wrong. It just means we were able to think long term. Bretixers are not the little Englanders, it is the remainers that are.
I can actually understand the want of the remainers in this court case. They want to know what is going on because, they once again, think that only they have the best interests of the country at their heart. Because they think the bretixers are knuckle dragging half brights, only they can understand the implications and nuances of negotiating the best deal. Arrogant doesn't cover it but it is a start.
Most leavers I would suggest knew it would be tricky, at time rocky and not everyone would be a an automatic winner either in the short term or some unfortunately long term. What bretixers know and the remainers seem to be oblivious to is that the UK is capable. Capable of making trade deals, capable of setting and implementing our own laws, capable of great humanitarian works throughout the world under our own terms, capable of defending ourselves and helping with making the world safe. We are capable of continuing to work with any and all our past and future partners in counter terrorism, fraud, medicine and research etc etc etc we will not suddenly repeal all laws that came from the EU and revert back to Victorian work houses. We will just not implode. We will, given the free chance become a force for independent thinking, prosperous powerhouse.
Just because we voted leave does not mean we are wrong. It just means we were able to think long term. Bretixers are not the little Englanders, it is the remainers that are.
I can actually understand the want of the remainers in this court case. They want to know what is going on because, they once again, think that only they have the best interests of the country at their heart. Because they think the bretixers are knuckle dragging half brights, only they can understand the implications and nuances of negotiating the best deal. Arrogant doesn't cover it but it is a start.
"I can actually understand the want of the remainers in this court case. They want to know what is going on because, they once again, think that only they have the best interests of the country at their heart."
Do you honestly not want to know more about what the government is planning? Do you honestly just want this to be carried out behind closed doors? Do you really believe that "Brexit means Brexit" and that's it?
Look, I understand how this might look threatening. It looks like parliament is going to try and stop Brexit happening at all. But that's not necessarily the case - and on balance it would probably be a good thing if our representatives hashed out the details of what leaving actually means. If you don't think that's a case, then that's tantamount to saying you don't think MPs should be part of the governing process at all, which flies completely in the face of the core political mechanisms of this country.
Do you honestly not want to know more about what the government is planning? Do you honestly just want this to be carried out behind closed doors? Do you really believe that "Brexit means Brexit" and that's it?
Look, I understand how this might look threatening. It looks like parliament is going to try and stop Brexit happening at all. But that's not necessarily the case - and on balance it would probably be a good thing if our representatives hashed out the details of what leaving actually means. If you don't think that's a case, then that's tantamount to saying you don't think MPs should be part of the governing process at all, which flies completely in the face of the core political mechanisms of this country.
Kromovaracun, I want to know they will try their best to get a good deal and if they can't get one that is best then walk away. As I have said many times we are capable. We do not need to go cap in hand to the EU. In fact it is more the other way round but I don't think they will admit that just yet.
It is the remainers who are frightened and see everything negatively. OMG we need open borders to allow migrant workers in. Err no we don't. We need a system that allows the workers we need. OMG we need to be part of the single market. No we don't. We need made trade deals that benefit the U.K. first and not the EU. Ect ect ect
I don't need to know the Ins and outs of a ducks *** to know it *** out of it. The government should talk about it and agree what it is we are seeking so I am not disagreeing with you there.
It doesn't actually look frightening. That is just another arrogant comment from someone who thinks Bretixers or perhaps just me! don't understand. We do. As has been said no MP who values his gravy train, sorry political position, would dare to actually vote against it. But what they will do is try their best to water down and make it what remain thinks rather than what is best.
But there again remain think they do know best as the rest of us are knuckle dragging idiots.
It is the remainers who are frightened and see everything negatively. OMG we need open borders to allow migrant workers in. Err no we don't. We need a system that allows the workers we need. OMG we need to be part of the single market. No we don't. We need made trade deals that benefit the U.K. first and not the EU. Ect ect ect
I don't need to know the Ins and outs of a ducks *** to know it *** out of it. The government should talk about it and agree what it is we are seeking so I am not disagreeing with you there.
It doesn't actually look frightening. That is just another arrogant comment from someone who thinks Bretixers or perhaps just me! don't understand. We do. As has been said no MP who values his gravy train, sorry political position, would dare to actually vote against it. But what they will do is try their best to water down and make it what remain thinks rather than what is best.
But there again remain think they do know best as the rest of us are knuckle dragging idiots.
Cassa, you've made quite a lot of assumptions on my behalf there and put words in my (and other remainer's) mouth/s that I would never use.
You say 'What bretixers know and the remainers seem to be oblivious to is that the UK is capable.' I (and many other remainers) never doubted that we weren't capable but capabilities become redundant if the process of achieving independence from the EU tear us all apart and have to endure years of legal process and economic hostility from the body which we're trying to escape. A fine principle but principles have costs.
You say 'What bretixers know and the remainers seem to be oblivious to is that the UK is capable.' I (and many other remainers) never doubted that we weren't capable but capabilities become redundant if the process of achieving independence from the EU tear us all apart and have to endure years of legal process and economic hostility from the body which we're trying to escape. A fine principle but principles have costs.
How so ? By demanding the discussion and permission giving when the public has already given a verdict and it was accepted beforehand that the result would be honoured: and even going as far as taking it to court to try to delay and hopefully for them, derail the democratic will of the people. No one had to explore the possibility nor to bring this issue up at all. They only did so because they refuse to accept the UK must now leave the EU and hope permission will be withheld or Brexit watered down. But I suspect you know this.
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