Are We Sleepwalking Into A Brexit Which Will Anger Both Sides?

[Marshwarble]

Brexit is angering Bremoaners, but soft Brexit will end up angering UKIP/Daily Express types. How should peace be maintained?

[Gromit]

May needs to say which version of Brexit the Government is persuing.
At th moment it is secret from the public. So no one is happy.
Saying nothing for 6 months will only lead to endless speculation and all sides getting into a lather.

[ichkeria]

In fairness to the PM I don't think she has a clue at the moment which sort of Brexit she wants

[Marshwarble]

Yes in fairness to the PM she is a silly twit.

[New Judge]

Suggesting there are “grades” of Brexit is like saying that a woman is slightly pregnant.

You cannot half leave a club. You are either in or you’re not. Determining whether or not the UK has future agreements with the EU is a different matter to leaving or staying. The process should be that we leave and no longer be subject to influence from any EU institutions and pay no more subscriptions. Then we can discuss how we’d like to get along with each other afterwards.

[ichkeria]

You can, though, New Judge, as was gone over many times during the referendum campaign: that was why there was talk of the "Norway", "Swiss" (did I even hear about the Albanian??!!) models
And it's a point I've made a few times on various threads, but worth making again: the referendum question did not ask people to choose a method or a model of Brexit. And so there is a subset (large or small I have no idea) of the Brexit universe, which sees it in very simplistic terms, something akin to escaping from Colditz in fact. But it is not as simple as that.

[ichkeria]

...and escaping from Colditz was not easy either in practice. At least we already have the tunnel :-)

[Gromit]

I agree with New Judge,
We should leave the EU and then join the Single Market.

[ToraToraTora]

leave, end of.

[ToraToraTora]

we voted to leave,lets leave, end of.

[agchristie]

No sleepwalking about it. There are plenty of very alert folk with a lot to say in both camps.

Some in the Remain camp have discovered a new strain of Diverticulitis that is really causing immense irritation.

[Old_Geezer]

As far as I can understand the term, "soft" Brexit seems to be no Brexit at all. Just a paperwork exercise to retain the detrimental aspects of membership yet pretend to no longer be a member. Can't see how that could annoy remainers since they would have succeeded in thwarting the democratic will of the people, and yet remain as they would wish to do.

[ichkeria]

Everyone on each side needs to calm down a bit :-)
That would help

[ToraToraTora]

I am sick to death of these lefty popinjays, there is only one version, out, end of.

[-Talbot-]

Why do you say 'Sleepwalking'?

[jourdain2]

Mr Corbyn has said this evening that Labour will not oppose a vote on Article 50. He is, of course, a Brexiter who has been forced to be silent.

[jourdain2]

^^^ Agree with New Judge.

[Marshwarble]

TTT: "There is only one option, out end of."


Gladn to see you're so well-read, TTT. Seeems like sleepwalking to me.

[New Judge]

"...there was talk of the "Norway", "Swiss" (did I even hear about the Albanian??!!) models "

Those proposals were not models of “leaving”, Icky. They were models of the relationship the UK may have with the EU after it had left. There is nothing to stop us leaving tomorrow with no “deal”. We would simply revert to the status that every other “normal” (i.e. non-EU country) enjoys.

“…the referendum question did not ask people to choose a method or a model of Brexit.”

No it did not. It was “Remain” or “Leave”. The electorate chose to leave and as I said earlier, you cannot slightly remain or slightly leave. You leave and decide how you would like to relate to what remains of the EU afterwards.

[Baldric]

Well said NJ, agree 100%

[ToraToraTora]

I'm sick of all this H0r5e 5h1t3, W TF is "hard"/"soft" brexit anyway. Brexit means brexit. Out kapput end of.