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How Main Remainers Have Now Changed Their Mind?
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We've have 6 months of howling and wriggling from the SGB but it seems there are some remain voters that regret not voting to leave themselves.
We've have 6 months of howling and wriggling from the SGB but it seems there are some remain voters that regret not voting to leave themselves.
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“I have Polish friends and Lithuanian & Latvian friends. They are all decent people with the same values as me.”
I’m sure that’s true Eddie. But your reaction was to this from Mikey:
“Eddie...You have hit the nail on the head there :::
"To get rid of the bl***dy foreigners & immigrants" “
Many people (like me) who voted to leave did not do so in the belief that we would “..get rid of the bl***dy foreigners & immigrants". It would have been foolish to have thought so and in any case it’s not what we envisaged (and still do not envisage) and not what we want. What most people want, for the reasons I stated in my earlier post, is an end to uncontrolled immigration. I’m sure you’re right when you say that some people who voted to leave were of that persuasion. But every time the question of Brexit and immigration is raised the same accusations of such stereotypes are wheeled out. It’s probably dependent on who you speak to and mix with. But none of the people I know want or expect foreigners already legally here to be expelled from the UK. It would be nice if you and Mikey could accept that as a fact and not simply tar all Leavers with the same racist, xenophobic brush.
I’m sure that’s true Eddie. But your reaction was to this from Mikey:
“Eddie...You have hit the nail on the head there :::
"To get rid of the bl***dy foreigners & immigrants" “
Many people (like me) who voted to leave did not do so in the belief that we would “..get rid of the bl***dy foreigners & immigrants". It would have been foolish to have thought so and in any case it’s not what we envisaged (and still do not envisage) and not what we want. What most people want, for the reasons I stated in my earlier post, is an end to uncontrolled immigration. I’m sure you’re right when you say that some people who voted to leave were of that persuasion. But every time the question of Brexit and immigration is raised the same accusations of such stereotypes are wheeled out. It’s probably dependent on who you speak to and mix with. But none of the people I know want or expect foreigners already legally here to be expelled from the UK. It would be nice if you and Mikey could accept that as a fact and not simply tar all Leavers with the same racist, xenophobic brush.
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Personal experience is anecdotal evidence, Eddie. Three weeks after the vote we had two Polish workers doing quite a big job for us. I can't remember any resentment by them or hatred from us. Not that we discussed the referendum. Why do you think the nasties you've met are typical? If your stereotype is right half of the UK population is composed of border-line racists (Mikey's words). Basket of deplorables (Hillary's words).
Some very interesting statistics here. Control of borders and immigration was the 2nd most common reason given for voting 'Leave'
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That is the closest it can actually say to 'dislike of forieners and immigrants'
Also a little nugget in there, 4% of UKIP supporters voted to remain in the EU!
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That is the closest it can actually say to 'dislike of forieners and immigrants'
Also a little nugget in there, 4% of UKIP supporters voted to remain in the EU!
The poll gave its participants a choice of reasons , one of which was 'to control borders and immigration'
As racism is a crime , people could scarcely be expected to admit to it.
I am as aware as you are that there are valid reasons for control of borders and immigration.
However, I am certain a large % of those who selected that option did so only because it was the nearest they could get to their true feelings. No proof obviously, just my instinct !
As racism is a crime , people could scarcely be expected to admit to it.
I am as aware as you are that there are valid reasons for control of borders and immigration.
However, I am certain a large % of those who selected that option did so only because it was the nearest they could get to their true feelings. No proof obviously, just my instinct !
"That is the closest it can actually say to 'dislike of forieners and immigrants'"
And it's not even close, Eddie. I can't really explain this any clearer, but wanting to control immigration (which I do) is poles apart from disliking foreigners, or worse, of being racist (which I'm not). Not much annoys me these days but this correlation does. As I said earlier it is constantly cited whenever immigration is discussed. As soon as anybody suggests that immigration should (and indeed must) be controlled they are immediately branded as racists. Of the people who voted to leave principally to control immigration, you have no way of knowing how many (if any) of them are racists. I know you have made an exception of me, which I appreciate. But to my way of thinking, normally associating people who want to control immigration as racists is as offensive as racism itself.
Unfortunately this viewpoint has held sway here in the UK for decades and as a result debating the question of immigration has become almost taboo. In the year to last March, more than 630,000 people arrived to settle in the UK (a far more pertinent figure than the disingenuous "net" migration figures). Almost half of these came from the EU, a number over which the UK has absolutely no control. People fretting over this are not racists. They see that many parts of the UK are struggling to cope with the numbers (of all races) already here. To equate that worry with racism because you've seen a few idiots abuse their corner shopkeeper is, I'm sorry to say, badly out of order.
And it's not even close, Eddie. I can't really explain this any clearer, but wanting to control immigration (which I do) is poles apart from disliking foreigners, or worse, of being racist (which I'm not). Not much annoys me these days but this correlation does. As I said earlier it is constantly cited whenever immigration is discussed. As soon as anybody suggests that immigration should (and indeed must) be controlled they are immediately branded as racists. Of the people who voted to leave principally to control immigration, you have no way of knowing how many (if any) of them are racists. I know you have made an exception of me, which I appreciate. But to my way of thinking, normally associating people who want to control immigration as racists is as offensive as racism itself.
Unfortunately this viewpoint has held sway here in the UK for decades and as a result debating the question of immigration has become almost taboo. In the year to last March, more than 630,000 people arrived to settle in the UK (a far more pertinent figure than the disingenuous "net" migration figures). Almost half of these came from the EU, a number over which the UK has absolutely no control. People fretting over this are not racists. They see that many parts of the UK are struggling to cope with the numbers (of all races) already here. To equate that worry with racism because you've seen a few idiots abuse their corner shopkeeper is, I'm sorry to say, badly out of order.
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