End The Whing-O-Rama, Good Advice From Bojo?

[ToraToraTora]

http://news.sky.com/story/snap-out-of-donald-trump-doom-and-gloom-says-boris-johnson-10652841

[Jackdaw33]

I see that this nonentity has had to put his oar in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37957673

[mikey4444]

DB....Trump is actively supported by the Ku Klux Klan....how does that square with you, being supported by an openly racist organisation ?

[Orderlimit]

Unlike Hamas, an openly racist organisation that supports the Labour leader, who supports them, how does that square with you ?

[joeluke]

Am not into politics but as far as I can see the Yanks have voted for change as Clinton in charge would have just been a seamless transition from the Obama Presidency

Similar sour grape reaction from the Yanks to what we had from the ‘Remainers’ who weren’t happy at the Brexit vote

[RandyMarsh]

Yep it is great advice, we are where we are and cannot change it unless the NSA or Mfi kill him.

[Orderlimit]

....and cannot change it unless the NSA or Mfi kill him."

Or some twisted incitement from a UK Guardian journo:

http://order-order.com/2016/11/11/guardian-journalist-tweet-presidential-assassination-call-deletes-account/

[jim360]

I don't have the answer to that yet, Naomi. All I am saying is that democracy is *not* just voting, then sitting back for the next four or five years. If that means campaigning, trying to communicate better whatever it is you believe, or engaging, or being more respectful to those who feel they've been ignored, I don't know. It's obvious that we have to accept Trump's victory as a result of a democratic election, but no-one who voted against him (or would have, given the opportunity) has to like it, or fall silent now that they have lost.

[naomi24]

Jim, I realise that but it seems to me that just recently people for whom life hasn't produced what they wanted it to produce are making quite an exhibition of themselves.

[jim360]

You could look at it another, more charitable way: people who got rather too cocky about their chances of winning just sleepwalked into a shocking defeat, and have learned the lesson that they can't just take things for granted any more -- and have to go out and make themselves heard, rather than talk amongst themselves about how great it will be if only everyone thought the same way they did.

No, I don't think that rioting in the street is the right way to do this. But it's a start, maybe.

[naomi24]

Jim, you side with idiots if you like but don't expect me to join you.

[Jackdaw33]

No, I don't think that rioting in the street is the right way to do this. But it's a start, maybe.

You may like to rethink that remark.

[jim360]

I'm siding with legitimate protesters rather than the rioters, obviously -- and those who feel upset and angry at the result are hardly idiots.

[naomi24]

Jim, and you differentiate how?

[Jackdaw33]

1951. Labour polled more votes than the Tories, but lost.
Feb. 1974. The Tories polled more votes than Labour but lost.

No-one took to the streets then.

[jim360]

As a side note, in answer to your question to Gulliver about why Trump is like Brexit. Well, in the first place you could ask Trump himself, who was busy in the last few days running up to the election speaking of his campaign as being like "Brexit plus plus" -- so *he* saw the similarities, at least.

So did I, if it comes to that -- as I mentioned elsewhere on AB, I started taking seriously the possibility of Trump winning on or around June 24th. Whether that's brilliant political reading, or just sheer luck, I don't know yet. But it seemed to me that both support for Brexit, and Trump's popular support, were due to a general anti-establishment feeling that allowed them both to flourish. They also both benefitted, if it comes to that, from a somewhat uninspiring alternative option. Most of the time the Remain campaign seemed to revolve around "stay in the EU and the really bad stuff won't happen"; support for Clinton similarly seemed to be rather too much about her being "not as bad as Trump". That's all I seemed to be able to say about her, for example.

I saw a lot of parallels between them, anyway. Plenty of differences too, I'm sure (for example, it's pretty much a given that if Trump was running as an independent he wouldn't have done nearly as well). But enough between the two that once Brexit happened it seemed likely to me that Trump might too.

[jim360]

It shouldn't be too hard to distinguish someone protesting from someone rioting.

[naomi24]

I’m still trying to work out how Mikey at 21:26 blames Trump for the ‘habits’ of some of the people who say they support him and yet fails to mention his own leader’s free choice of less than savoury ‘friends’.