Labour Politician Talks Sense....shocker!

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37968121
Do you think Ed is correct when he says:
"If we cede the field and we say 'we're the people who want to reverse the result', then there are two choices in Britain: hard, destructive Brexit, or reversing the result. I know what's going to win - hard Brexit's going to win." ?

[agchristie]

Give that man a bacon sandwich!

[jourdain2]

Two bacon sandwiches.

[Gromit]

Is that the same Edward Miliband who you have always regarded (rightly) as being a complete wazzock?

Surely holding up this pillock of society as having the same opinion as yourself, rather weakens your case, rather than supports it?

[jim360]

Three! etc etc etc

Difficult to see what a second referendum would achieve. I'm sure I said all this months ago, but if the question is on a specific deal then rejecting the deal still leaves us out of the EU; and anyway it would be asked after Article 50 had been triggered. I am not sure how a second referendum would fit into that, legally. Not very comfortably, anyway.

I'm all for proper process to be followed, and I hope too that the phrase "we have to leave the EU now come what may" isn't some sort of harbinger of doom, but in practice you have to agree with Ed on this. A second referendum just don't make sense.

[Davemano]

At least Millibank is accepting something which some people on here just can't accept.

[ToraToraTora]

well I have never used that term gromit but I am happy to acknowledge it when even a "complete wazzock" gets it right.

[agchristie]

Gromit > Surely holding up this pillock of society as having the same opinion as yourself, rather weakens your case, rather than supports it?

Every dog has it's day. Credit where it's due, unlike Farron and his band of plotters.

[New Judge]

I keep castigating this notion of “Hard Brexit” and “Soft Brexit”. The country voted to leave the EU (please, Eddie, don’t harp on about only 52% of 72% voted to leave, etc.). The vote was to leave. You cannot half leave; a woman cannot be slightly pregnant. You are in or you are out. We will be out. Why on earth the EU should allow us access to their Single Market (unless it suits them) is a little unclear. The Single Market is not all it’s cracked up to be anyway, but there is absolutely no way that the UK should involve itself in any deal which will mean the country is forcibly influenced by the EU or any of its institutions. The vote was to leave and we should not expect to retain any of the advantages (such that exist) of EU membership. We simply relate to the EU in the same way as normal countries that are not members do. It’s not all that complicated really.

[Bertrum]

What he says is quite correct also remember the Tories did steal a few of his policies so exactly whose a wazzock

[Gromit]

Ed's words should be etched in stone and displayed for all to see.

And then thrown in a skip when people realise he spouts monsense.

[Jackdaw33]

I have had to take a powder. A Labour leader talking sense? Nurse, the screens!

[mikey4444]

What Ed is saying here is that we can't ignore the Ref. result, but our BREXIT shouldn't damage the UK economy. Its immaterial whether that is called soft or hard.

[Old_Geezer]

There is bound to be economic turbulence as investors overreact to change for a while. But that cost of their actions affecting national economies settles down and we are all the better for the change afterwards, once we've negotiated new trade agreements. References to "hard" and "soft" are not so much linked to economic issues as they are with avoiding an exit in any real manner. It's about whether we truly get out or merely change the name of our status and yet still have the same unreasonable impositions affecting our control of our own nation.

[cassa333]

The single EU market is the same as any market worldwide. We negotiate a trade deal. If we don't we use the same principles as with other countries. It's not rocket science. Especially for the people that do this sort of thing all the time.

EM has stated the bleeding obvious and I hope the dissension in the remain realms take note. They are coming out with different ideas and reasons and contradicting each other on what they want and how they want to do it.

On here some talk of Bretix being mismanaged and a farce and such. Pot, kettle and black come to mind!

[mikey4444]

TTT...this is the second praising of Labour politicians, in just over a year....is this your slow journey to a conversion on the Road to Damascus ?

[youngmafbog]

Well I never thought I would hear such wise words coming from him.

Mickey at 7:58 summs it up well. We need to get on with what we have and sort out the best way forward for the UK.

I too dislike the term Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit. Is there a cuddly Brexit too (somewhere in between?)

[agchristie]

Mikey > Its immaterial whether that is called soft or hard.

No need to over egg it!

[joggerjayne]

Actually, he doesn't talk that much sense.

If the choice is between ...

(a) hard, destructive Brexit, or

(b) reversing the result

... that's only one choice. Not two choices.

As soon as you choose one, the other, by definition, ceases to be a choice.

[gulliver1]

When it comes down to talking sense, think someone on this post should give himself a good talking to.

[ToraToraTora]

nice logic, so heads or tails is only one choice is it JJ? PMSL, perhaps you mean there is one selection out of two options?