Jet2

[TWR]

Flight Captain takes phone off drunk passenger, should this Izz head be banned from every airline for life? If yes, Why, If No, Why not in your opinion?

[andy-hughes]

EDDIE51 - //You can't punish / ban the other passengers on the same flight because one of them is drunk! that is a ridiculous idea and also totally illegal! //

Who is suggesting that other passengers on the same flight should be punished or banned?

[EDDIE51]

237SJ The charge is as I said 'endangering the safety of an aircraft' the penalty for that is a mandatory life time ban from flying!
The offence is NOT being drunk, it is that by grabbing the crew communication system to call the pilot and demand alcohol he forcing the pilot to leave the cabin during landing, and so endangered the flight!

[EDDIE51]

andy-hughes, ^ jno suggested that at 10.33 !
''One drunk and the whole group does not fly''

[douglas9401]

jno is suggesting it, Mr Hughes.


"yes, I agree with that. You could also apply it to whole groups when group bookings are made: one drunk, the whole lot don't fly. That would prompt a bit of self-policing and save the staff trouble."

[237SJ]

Eddie - unless someone is a terrorist they won`t be banned from flying per se. As I said, he will probably have a lifetime ban from Jet2

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "I don't think that being asked to forgo a non-essential activity in the interests of safety and security for the majority is 'punishment' - it's just part of being an adult in a civilised society. " - there are lots of non essential activities that are part of traveling. When I am off on holiday, I like to have couple in the bar while I'm waiting to board and maybe even have a couple on board. Why should we all be restricted because a) some eejits misbehave and b) you seem to be offended that they make money selling booze. They also sell books and all manor of things, are you suggesting that we make all air ports sheds of misery where you cannot buy anything? I don't see why the vast majority should be punished because you don't want to punish a few morons.

[237SJ]

Very few people get drunk and cause trouble on aircraft. It`s just the odd few that your hear about among the millions of people who fly every year

[douglas9401]

Maybe Dickie Branson could look at setting up AustereAir especially for those to whom any pleasure, real or perceived is anathema.
They could queue on the tarmac in all weathers and be tied to splintery planks for the duration of the flight.

[237SJ]

^^So you`ve flown with Ryanair then

[EDDIE51]

237SJ Scroll through this 'endangering the safety of an aircraft' has a maximum sentence of life in prison. Aviation safety act .
There is also a lifetime ban from all airlines.
There is no distinction made between a 'terrorist' offence and some other reason for the offence. I agree this act was at the low end of the scale but I am pretty sure he will have a lifetime ban from all airlines! Pretty pointless banning someone from just one airline!

[EDDIE51]

Sorry here is the link
http://www.thelawpages.com/court-cases/maximums.php

[237SJ]

That isn`t how it works Eddie but I can`t be bothered to argue about it

[Prudie]

Andy I don't think you have any concept of the millions of people who are nervous of flying and need a drink to get on a plane. There is no comparison with catching a coach or a train. There's a vast difference between having a couple of drinks and being drunk and dangerous. These events are very rare when you consider how many flights are in the air at any given time.

[237SJ]

I have actually had someone tamper with aircraft equipment. I read her the riot act and wrote a lengthy report so that she would be 'flagged up' and that was the end of that. She later expected me to apologise to her but I though "You must be effing joking if you think you are going to get an apology from me"

[EDDIE51]

Many people have been banned for life from all airlines
https://www.yahoo.com/style/blacklisted-how-to-get-banned-for-life-by-125181311247.html

[EDDIE51]

If you read my link the first example is a man who was banned from all airlines for life by Jet2 !!! His offence, showing other passengers a tattoo he had ! ( it was on his penis!)

[andy-hughes]

EDDIE51 - //andy-hughes, ^ jno suggested that at 10.33 !
''One drunk and the whole group does not fly'' //

Thanks - I didn't make the connection there.

Now that , I think, is draconian, and unreasonable.

[EDDIE51]

237SJ it is the airlines themselves who can ban a person for life from all airlines not a government. They don't need a court order they just 'Blacklist' you . As said there is also a maximum jail sentence of 'life' if the case goes to court!

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //Why should we all be restricted because a) some eejits misbehave and b) you seem to be offended that they make money selling booze. //

Everyone should be restricted because the potential for danger and death caused by alcohol on-board incidents mean that as a safety measure, alcohol should not be served, and intoxicated passengers should not be boarded.

I am not remotely 'offended' because an airport makes money selling alcohol - they are a business, business makes profit, no issue with the principle there.

But in practice, it is not the airport that deals with the fall-out of its alcohol availability misuse, it is cabin crew who have responsibility for the safety of all passengers.

// They also sell books and all manor of things, are you suggesting that we make all air ports sheds of misery where you cannot buy anything? //

What a strange question! No-one uses a book they have bought to assault another passenger with - so why would I want book sales banned?

// I don't see why the vast majority should be punished because you don't want to punish a few morons. //

First of all, it is not about 'punishment', it's about safety, and secondly, I have never said that I don't want offenders punished. What I have said is the preventing the cause of the offence is a better way forward.

[andy-hughes]

Prudie - //Andy I don't think you have any concept of the millions of people who are nervous of flying and need a drink to get on a plane. There is no comparison with catching a coach or a train. //

If people are nervous flyers, there are prescription medications available to deal with that issue.

But you and I know that the vast majority of people who drink before and during a flight are not doing so to calm nerves, they are doing so because culturally, we have come to accept drinking and flying as part of the 'holiday experience'.

//There's a vast difference between having a couple of drinks and being drunk and dangerous. These events are very rare when you consider how many flights are in the air at any given time. //

Absolutely.

And relatively speaking, the number of vehicular fatalities when measured against the millions of miles driven safely every year is a small number, but we still have speed limits on roads.

The issue is not about being a killjoy, or wanting people to be 'punished' - it is about the catastrophic incidents that can occur mid-flight which, at best, frighten innocent passengers, and at worst, cause violence and mayhem.

It is about keeping people safe, and making flying a pleasant experience for everyone.

Drinking alcohol is not an essential ingredient of flying - but a culture has grown up where people believe that it is. I think that is unfortunate, but I completely accept that I am in the minority, and it will never alter.

That does not mean I am against people enjoying themselves, in fact, quite the opposite, I would like to sit on a plane and not be next to someone who is getting steadily more inebriated, I don't think that is unreasonable.