So Is Brexit The "fault" Of Saint Tony?

[ToraToraTora]

http://news.sky.com/story/tony-blair-to-blame-for-brexit-says-philip-hammond-10735571
I doubt it myself but if he did help then thanks Tony.

[Zacs-Master]

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[TheChair]

A recent survey found that in voters aged between (i think it was) 18 and 38, immigration came 22nd on their list of concerns.

[ToraToraTora]

thanks for that.

[Zacs-Master]

You have to ask how many of those voters families were the result of immigration.

[tonyav]

Philip Hammond has blamed Tony Blair for Brexit, arguing the former prime minister was responsible for a "deluge" of immigration from the European Union.

I don't care who he blames, we got the vote and brexit won.

[Zacs-Master]

Strange victory.

[naomi24]

Apportioning ‘blame’ suggests that Brexit is a bad thing. It isn’t.

[Islay]

In your opinion Naomi!

[Ninefingers]

The Tory Remoaners obviously have to apportion blame somewhere and they can't blame one of their own so it has to be outr favourite war criminal Tony B. Liar, I have to say when he started spouting it confirmed my vote, I wish he would crawl back under a stone and stay there

[naomi24]

Islay, of course in my opinion. I'd hardly be posting someone else's opinion!

[mikey4444]

What a load of tosh ! Hammond should be concentrating his efforts of how Surrey Council is going to manage its Social Care budget, in his own constituency, rather than desperately trying to find somebody to blame for BREXIT.

A *** IMHO

[naomi24]

Mikey, you tried that one a day or so ago and came unstuck. Perhaps wiser to climb off that particular hobby horse now.

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1533656-2.html

[Ninefingers]

Every one else has an opinion Mikey why shouldn't he?? All politicians should spend time doing their jobs, but they are also allowed to comment on public issue, aren't they??

[mikey4444]

Ninefingers....Of course he should be allowed to have an opinion.

But he is the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and according to the Tory Leader of Surrey Council, his ability to continue with the Counties Social Care problem is being severely curtailed by the cuts his Government is imposing.

So I am suggesting that he should concentrate his efforts in other areas, rather than choosing somebody to blame.

[Ninefingers]

To be honest Mikey I hear my friends and family at home (Scotland) complaining about Sturgeon in the same way, concentrate on the bag of nonsense that is the economy, policing and other emergency services etc etc etc rather than shout about Brexit, Donald Trump, teresa May's tartan suit you name it. Senior politicians are there to comment and whether you like it or not he'll do that.

As for the council, they are no different to any other, services cost money and in an austerity period they make efficiencies or pump up the rates. If thyey said they were making 1500 people redundant instead would that be an improvement on a 15% hike in council tax?? Become more efficient with what you are given, isn't that the message for all of us?

[Zacs-Master]

Mikey' still missing the point that even with the 15% rise, Surrey will still be slightly below average for the whole country.
The average house price in Surrey is just over £half a million. The average,for,a terraced house is over £half a million! The average in the U.K. Is approx £220k. Do the math on the affordability of the CT in Surrey.......

[mikey4444]

Ninefingers....I saw the Leader being interviewed in CH4 this week. He seemed to me to be a very reasonable man and he made it quite clear that his Council had already made savings in the Council budget over he last few years.

So he his faced with only two choices.....raise the C.Tax or cut services. Hammond could supply another choice though, and he could listen to his very loyal Council Leader and stop the cuts. He has chosen not to exercise that choice.

[naomi24]

Mikey, you're the first to complain when someone else changes the subject of a thread, but quite happy to do it yourself whenever it suits your purpose. Anything to detract from criticism of one of your icons.

[New Judge]

“A recent survey found that in voters aged between (i think it was) 18 and 38, immigration came 22nd on their list of concerns.”

Thankfully not enough of them stirred from their beds to get out and vote for their wishes (to see the country’s services overrun largely as a result of uncontrolled immigration) last June 23rd.

“Apportioning ‘blame’ suggests that Brexit is a bad thing.”

For the undertaker-in-chief Mr “Europhil” Hammond, it certainly was. He declared himself a prominent and charismatic (politicians simply cannot tell it how it is) leader of the Remain campaign. Here’s an example of his ramblings from early last year:

“Hard-headed analysis shows that every alternative to remaining in a reformed EU would leave Britain weaker, less safe and worse off. Working people would pay the price with fewer jobs and rising prices… British businesses would be squeezed out of traditional markets… [Brexit would mean we] sacrifice jobs and growth… while our competitors forge ahead…”

I have to say that had Mr Blair and his cronies not scoured the world for immigrants to invite to these shores the mood in the UK may have been different. Following the Eastern expansion of the EU in 2004 restrictions on free movement were allowed for up to seven years. Virtually every member nation (bar Sweden, Ireland, Cyprus and Malta) took up this option to a greater or lesser degree. The UK did not and it was forecast that around 13,000 would opt to settle here. In the event, more than 20 times that number arrived here in the first year. Had Mr B imposed a ban similar to virtually all of the rest of the EU the situation may have been different. But he didn’t, it wasn’t, and so we are where we are now. Mr Hammond and his fellow Remainers (including the prime Minister) will simply have to make the best of what they see as a bad job.

[vortex]

New Judge //He declared himself a prominent and charismatic (politicians simply cannot tell it how it is) leader of the Remain campaign. //

Yes, Hammond has about as much charisma of the Grim Reaper with bubonic plague.