Bretix Vote Demographics

[cassa333]

I asked this on another thread but for the life of me I can't find it so will post it as a separate q. If it has been answered elsewhere please let me know.

Did we vote in the referendum as individuals, counties, constituency, separate nations (England sCotland etc)?

I thought we voted as individuals. If that is the case then how can any MP, whether at Westminster or any of the devolved governments, vote against triggering a50?

Surely even their conscience or what they believe is in the best interest of the country doesn't count for toffee??!

[Ninefingers]

Single vote, as the UK. results should have been announced as such then half the BS we've had in the last 6 months would never have happened

[Baldric]

///I thought we voted as individuals///

So did I cassa.

[THECORBYLOON]

The MPs are not being given a free vote, Labour MPs for example have been telt to vote in favour of the Article 50 Bill.

[Jackdaw33]

'Telt'! What a wonderful Geordie word.

[Old_Geezer]

They must vote neither as they personally desire nor how their constituents feel since the democratic decision has already been arrived at. They are obliged, if they have any pretence at believing in Democracy, to rubber stamp the people's decision.

[Canary42]

Voted as individual, but counted at usual constitutency counting stations, so regionalisation stats are attainable.

[Gromit]

16 million voted against Leaving.

There was only a 4% difference between the winning and the losing vote.

So the Commons must vote to invoke, but that should not mean 100% of MPs must support it. If all MPs follow their constituents wishes, and vote accordingly, then the Commons will vote to invoke.

However, if MPs ignore their constituents, then there may be problems. My own MP was a very strong Remainer, but his constituency voted to Leave. He should vote Leave, but it remains to be seen if he does. Before the Referendum, two thirds of MPs were Remainers, so some may have difficulty voting against their own opinions.

[mikey4444]

Of course we voted as individuals, as we do every time we vote.

But as I understand it, it was done under the same auspices as any other voting opportunity, in wards and constituencies. I voted in the same place where I have voted for 37 years.

[grumpy01]

Going by the headline this must be a vote on something I have missed.

[KARL]

Here's a thought: People also vote individually for parties in parliamentary/government elections but in the end no election in living memory (I believe) has resulted in the balance of representatives among the different parties reflecting the numerical outcome/tally of votes. What is it that puts the EU referendum into a different category, dictating action in a black or white fashion based on a 4% difference between the two responses ? In every case, participation is way below 100%. Attempts to distribute seats more equitably in the UK have consistently come to nothing because there is very strong opposition to that foreign concept. Where does the much vaunted common sense come into all of this ?

[ToraToraTora]

we voted as individuals for the UK as a whole. All, the, "my cul de sac voted to remain" type BS is just the SGB squirming because they lost.

[ToraToraTora]

Mikey, it was not done in wards and constituencies. The infrastructure was used to collect and count only. The result was Leave or remain for the UK as a whole.

[mikey4444]

TTT....thanks....I wasn't aware of that.

But I have seen the votes counted in towns, cities and constituencies, so it must be possible to separate them out.

[ToraToraTora]

...yes, that data is available because it was logged that way and has caused no end of misunderstanding. It is possible to analyse the figures in a variety of ways but they are all irrelevant except the simple binary choice that was made. The referendum was conducted for the UK as a whole, end of.

[mikey4444]

TTT....I am not disputing that.

But I expect it will be brought up in the next few weeks, leading up to the two forthcoming by-Elections.

[Quizmonster]

Americans had a "simple binary choice", too, in the recent Presidential election, but the candidate who got the lesser number of votes won!

[ToraToraTora]

no they did not.

[mikey4444]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count/

[Quizmonster]

Yes, he did...Clnton 66,000,000 votes...Trump 63,000,000 votes. Unlike the EU referendum here, which was democratic, the US system of electoral colleges created the final result there which wasn't!