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Could The Dutch Also Be Seeing A Trump Style Regime Very Soon?
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//For a groundswell of support for Wilders among the Dutch — his is the most popular party in the Netherlands — is fast gathering momentum.//
Mikey, there must be a lot of 'unintelligent' Dutch people then!
I think Wilders is going to prove more influential than you think in Dutch politics.
Mind you, top of the table in the 'unintelligent' stakes must be in the US.
I mean, what were they thinking eh? ;-)
Mikey, there must be a lot of 'unintelligent' Dutch people then!
I think Wilders is going to prove more influential than you think in Dutch politics.
Mind you, top of the table in the 'unintelligent' stakes must be in the US.
I mean, what were they thinking eh? ;-)
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"The Dutch are far too intelligent to allow this racist to be any more influential than he is at present."
What I can’t understand, Mikey, is why is it that whenever a voting decision is deemed “inappropriate” (or whatever term you’d care to put on it) by some, a perceived lack of intelligence among the voters rears its head?
Almost 63m people voted for Donald Trump. Are they all unintelligent? More than 17m people voted to leave the EU. Are they similarly all unintelligent? Now there is the prospect (I don’t know how great because I haven’t looked) that the Dutch people might vote for the “wrong” candidate. Now it is suggested that they are too intelligent to do so (implying that those who do are unintelligent). Why is this? People vote the way they do for all sorts or reasons. I agree that however they vote, some may not be so well informed as others. But they are still entitled to vote the way they wish without their intelligence being questioned.
I only really have knowledge of people who voted in the EU referendum here, but I think the principle can be applied to voters elsewhere. I and virtually all my family, friends and acquaintances voted to leave. None of us is racist (which is the most common accusation levelled against Leavers). None of us is by any means unintelligent. For my part I think I have demonstrated over the last year that I probably know more than many people about the workings of the EU and its effect it has had and might have in future on the UK. The conclusions I have drawn may be incorrect but they were made with the best available information and my interpretation of it. But even now my fellow Leavers and I are still tarnished with the brush of lacking intelligence. “They didn’t know what they were voting for”. “They didn’t vote for this”. “They didn’t vote for that”. We knew exactly what we were voting for. So did those who voted for President Trump. He could not have made his intentions clearer (and unlike many politicians he is now simply getting on with them instead of prevaricating and making excuses). I accept that not all voters vote with perhaps the benefit of the knowledge I and others have acquired. But that applies to both sides. I spoke to a young couple recently who said they were devastated at the Brexit vote because “It means we won’t be able to travel to Europe any more”. So lack of understanding is not the sole preserve of any particular side. Were they misguided? Yes. Are they unintelligent? No, definitely not.
It is really very disappointing to hear these continued accusations of lack of intelligence levelled against anybody who votes or is thinking of voting the ”wrong” way. The only right outcome in any election is for the majority to prevail (and please don’t start on about the deficiencies of the “electoral college”. That’s the US system and Mr Trump was duly elected under that system). It really is about time the insults stopped.
What I can’t understand, Mikey, is why is it that whenever a voting decision is deemed “inappropriate” (or whatever term you’d care to put on it) by some, a perceived lack of intelligence among the voters rears its head?
Almost 63m people voted for Donald Trump. Are they all unintelligent? More than 17m people voted to leave the EU. Are they similarly all unintelligent? Now there is the prospect (I don’t know how great because I haven’t looked) that the Dutch people might vote for the “wrong” candidate. Now it is suggested that they are too intelligent to do so (implying that those who do are unintelligent). Why is this? People vote the way they do for all sorts or reasons. I agree that however they vote, some may not be so well informed as others. But they are still entitled to vote the way they wish without their intelligence being questioned.
I only really have knowledge of people who voted in the EU referendum here, but I think the principle can be applied to voters elsewhere. I and virtually all my family, friends and acquaintances voted to leave. None of us is racist (which is the most common accusation levelled against Leavers). None of us is by any means unintelligent. For my part I think I have demonstrated over the last year that I probably know more than many people about the workings of the EU and its effect it has had and might have in future on the UK. The conclusions I have drawn may be incorrect but they were made with the best available information and my interpretation of it. But even now my fellow Leavers and I are still tarnished with the brush of lacking intelligence. “They didn’t know what they were voting for”. “They didn’t vote for this”. “They didn’t vote for that”. We knew exactly what we were voting for. So did those who voted for President Trump. He could not have made his intentions clearer (and unlike many politicians he is now simply getting on with them instead of prevaricating and making excuses). I accept that not all voters vote with perhaps the benefit of the knowledge I and others have acquired. But that applies to both sides. I spoke to a young couple recently who said they were devastated at the Brexit vote because “It means we won’t be able to travel to Europe any more”. So lack of understanding is not the sole preserve of any particular side. Were they misguided? Yes. Are they unintelligent? No, definitely not.
It is really very disappointing to hear these continued accusations of lack of intelligence levelled against anybody who votes or is thinking of voting the ”wrong” way. The only right outcome in any election is for the majority to prevail (and please don’t start on about the deficiencies of the “electoral college”. That’s the US system and Mr Trump was duly elected under that system). It really is about time the insults stopped.
NJ....Trump is a boorish, racist, misogynist. He has also shown great disrespect for disabled people, and the incredible attitude he took towards the parents of a fallen member of the US Armed Forces would have been unbelievable if it was not recorded on video tape. The only reason that he as that insulting towards those parents was because they were Muslim.
I am not sure how stupid anyone would need to be, to ignore all those characteristics and still vote for him. Tens of millions of people all over America, and the rest of the world think the same as I do.
Geert Wilders is an European of the same ilk, and is a colleague of Marine Le Pen, which should speak volumes. For once, I agree with the DM....Widers is indeed a rabble-rouser.
I am not sure how stupid anyone would need to be, to ignore all those characteristics and still vote for him. Tens of millions of people all over America, and the rest of the world think the same as I do.
Geert Wilders is an European of the same ilk, and is a colleague of Marine Le Pen, which should speak volumes. For once, I agree with the DM....Widers is indeed a rabble-rouser.
Mikey, Trump was elected because he was saying what a lot of Americans were thinking, and attempting to silence those who voice genuine concerns by branding them stupid, racist, misogynist, or bigoted, really is stupid in the extreme. If the issues that concern the public were addressed by the current holders of political office instead of being ignored, people like Trump, Wilders and Le Pen would have far less chance of achieving victory. The de rigueur penchant for political correctness that you consistently espouse is the same one that requires our leaders to bury their heads firmly in the sand – and that, if anything, will be their downfall. They – and you – need to start asking why the people you so despise are gaining popularity.
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Ok Mikey, I’ll try one more time then I’ll give up.
Forget President Trump specifically. Forget Mr Wilders – specifically. Forget the Brexit vote – specifically. In the first two of these (and probably the third if I looked hard enough) you have specifically stated that people who voted or will vote contrary to the way you believed they should are unintelligent or just plain stupid. Why do you say that? They simply have a different opinion to you, no more, no less.
“Tens of millions of people all over America, and the rest of the world think the same as I do. “ Very possibly true. But tens of millions (including, most importantly, 63m US voters) don’t. It doesn’t make you or them necessarily intellectually superior. You have turned three separate things that are merely matters of opinion or personal choice into a comparison of intellect. Nobody can fail to understand more than I do why anyone should have voted to remain in the EU. But they did – 16m of them – and all for their own reasons. I respect their vote even if made from the heart rather than on any particular factual basis. I would not dare to tarnish them all intellectually inferior to me or denounce their “stupidity”. That’s what I don’t understand and that’s what disappoints me. Forget the individuals or the issues. Think about why you should denounce somebody who holds a different point of view to you as “stupid”.
Forget President Trump specifically. Forget Mr Wilders – specifically. Forget the Brexit vote – specifically. In the first two of these (and probably the third if I looked hard enough) you have specifically stated that people who voted or will vote contrary to the way you believed they should are unintelligent or just plain stupid. Why do you say that? They simply have a different opinion to you, no more, no less.
“Tens of millions of people all over America, and the rest of the world think the same as I do. “ Very possibly true. But tens of millions (including, most importantly, 63m US voters) don’t. It doesn’t make you or them necessarily intellectually superior. You have turned three separate things that are merely matters of opinion or personal choice into a comparison of intellect. Nobody can fail to understand more than I do why anyone should have voted to remain in the EU. But they did – 16m of them – and all for their own reasons. I respect their vote even if made from the heart rather than on any particular factual basis. I would not dare to tarnish them all intellectually inferior to me or denounce their “stupidity”. That’s what I don’t understand and that’s what disappoints me. Forget the individuals or the issues. Think about why you should denounce somebody who holds a different point of view to you as “stupid”.
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