Eurocrats Criticize 'our' Prevent Strategy. Which Strikes Me As Barking..

[Samjenko]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4295472/Eurocrats-attack-Britain-s-bid-root-terrorists.html#comments

[naomi24]

It is barking.

//However a report by the Council of Europe warned the UK's anti-radicalisation programmes were 'fomenting resentment' within Muslim communities.//

Why would that be? Surely all peaceful, law-abiding citizens support initiatives that ultimately render the country a safer place?

[Old_Geezer]

Nothing wrong with constructive criticism but we can choose to disagree if our strategy seems to get results.

[youngmafbog]

Eurocrats are barking. They have their heads shoved so far up their ideology they can't see any light.

Perhaps they really need to open their eyes as to what is happening on the continent and do something about it. But they wont and that is one good reason why we are leaving.

I would not be surprised if another reason is that they were hoping to dump all their trash over to the UK benefits system. Now we are leaving they will be stuck with it.

[youngmafbog]

Yes, the results speak louder than their right-on liberal rhetoric OG.

[Samjenko]

They are hardly in a position to offer constructive criticism.
And as Naomi suggests(I think) I'm very suspicious of the motives of those who criticize the Prevent strategies.

[naomi24]

These initiatives, for obvious reasons, target people from one section of the community – and that is what the critics object to. Why they consider that to be wrong or why they feel such schemes, at the expense of the rest of society, should be abandoned in order to placate that community, is anyone’s guess.

[anotheoldgit]

They don't wish to integrate, and if the Muslim communities are so bothered about intrusion, then perhaps they should be the first to weed out the fundamentalists within their communities.

[hereIam]

I assume they will be ignored ?? A lot of muslims do not want to integrate anyway ...

[Peter Pedant]

and how many of us have done the Prevent course ?
None I will bet out of the first eight posters

I have
or I did

in 2012 and couldnt find anyone to tell how crap it was
until a few weeks ago 2017 - the fellow in charge of prevent - and his comment was - - "so what says you"

it is a white anglo saxon construct and
doesnt work basically

Thanks Peter wrote chief constable .....
I talk to all sorts of people, but thanks for the advice.
A Chief Constable Leicestershire Police


Hello Simon ( wrote PP) I think you are cc of Leicester
and in charge of the govt’s lamentable Prevent strategy

I include my comment on Prevent which has been out there on the internet for quite some time Jul 2014

I notice you are a white anglo saxon ( as I am ) and I really feel you should be talking to some of people ( erm Arabs and so on) that this project is aimed towards and find out how they feel. I have just heard on the radio that in fact some have volunteered their opinion to you but as I found – no one is listening

the Mohd Haneet I refer to is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamed_Haneef
where the police systems of the world didnt exactly score highly. I have also copied and pasted my comment below this in case the effort to find it is too much

I accessed it when he (MH) had been booted out of Oz – and had been denied appeal as he had to be physically IN the country (Oz) to bring the case and they would not let him back in as he had been deported as a terrorist – so no appeal no justice no nothing.

Prevent course I went to was at my previous Hospital CMFT (Manchester) so poor Dr Haneef’s troubles were well known and talked about by the foreign medical graduates employed there . and yes or no they [facilitators] were completely uninterested in feedback......and wouldnt even give an address to email to. (yeah that completely uninterested)
so I have chosen you .... three years later – well things move slowly here
I think the facilitators took the view that Prevent didnt NEED feedback – it was perfect as is

I dont think I told the arab doctors to note down their points in order of awfulness as there didnt look as tho there would be anyone to listen

I think I took the prevent course soon after I retired in Jan 2012

PP
Comment on: How to spot domestic extremists
An article about how landlords have an anti-terrorist tole

I am a private landlord and registered on this site to make this comment. I voluntarily went thro the anti-terrorist Prevent training at my ex employer by invitation.

There is no doubt the govt are terrified of what could be termed 'terrorist entryism' in the educated sector. This is because one of the convicted Glasgow terrorists was a registered junior doctor.

The General Medical Council enthusiastically claimed it had an anti-terrorist function at a time it was quite clear it should concentrate on its core functions - to wit register and regulate doctors. I commented at the time that if the GMC had an anti-terrorist function “then London would burn.”

The Prevent presentation is done by facilitators which just means that they dont understand their course material and havent thought about it and since they are facilitators have no intention of starting to do so. When I challenged the accuracy of their material they just shrugged their shoulders and said it was nothing to do with them

All the Arabs gasped at the inaccuracies in the material. They relied on me as an Anglo-Saxon arabic speaker ( I worked there ) to point out inaccuracies which were ignored or just not understood, in proper English.

Specifically Muhamed Haneef was portrayed as dangerous sleeper and fellow traveller, whereas he was a junior doctor in Oz who was fired, deprived of his medical licence and deported from Oz before they realised he was innocent of all charges. There was very little recognition he was very badly treated, or that the idea was to track down the bad boys and not stigmatise and then punish just anyone.

[Peter Pedant]

continuted - sozza longish post
but it accurately describes what foreign immigrants felt about it - - a ham fisted attempt by the authorities to stignatise anyone ....

I am glad I did prevent as I can see how awful it was.
and yes I am quite prepared to talk to anyone about my misgivings as this was refused at the time.

PP

as readers can see from the top
The Chief Constatble of Leicester passed up the opportunity to learn how deeply deeply crap it was

[Samjenko]

Kind of missing the point, there, Peter.
It's true I haven't been on a Prevent 'course'. Why should I, I've never displayed any anti-British tendencies.
It's about the nerve of delusional people who are suffering from terrorist attacks every other week, lecturing us on our strategies to deal with them.
Of course, the Peter Perfect strategy might well be superior to the current one. We'll have to see when it's rolled out across the country.

[Peter Pedant]

// Of course, the Peter Perfect strategy might well be superior to the current one. We'll have to see when it's rolled out across the country.//

great ! when do we start ?

anything is better than the current one
that just posses the people off that you want to cooperate

and of course in some jobs
you dont choose ....
you are made to do prevent ( NHS - there are lecture theatres that are lockable and people are strapped into Prevent Appreciation Chairs - if they dont clap loudly they get it all again and again until they do )
[ with thx to Douglas Adams for that idea ]

fr instance the Prevent presentation should not portray Mohd Haneef as a dangerous convicted terrorist in Ausgtralia if the official report states
"The evidence against Mohamed Haneef was "completely deficient". "

so it would be kinda easy to do better
..... if anyone wanted