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Just who does Mrs May think she is commanding.
She comes up to Scotland with the support of her sole Tory MP and lectures us about what we will and will not be "allowed" to do.
This is the Prime Minister who has not been voted into office by anyone but is seeking to instruct a democratically elected Scottish Parliament on their rights, duties and responsibilities.
Laughable if it were not so tragic.
She comes up to Scotland with the support of her sole Tory MP and lectures us about what we will and will not be "allowed" to do.
This is the Prime Minister who has not been voted into office by anyone but is seeking to instruct a democratically elected Scottish Parliament on their rights, duties and responsibilities.
Laughable if it were not so tragic.
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I have common ground with Piers Moron on some show who said that if there were a vote amongst the English about scots independence - they are so sick of it the english would vote unanimously Go! Go!
Nicola S is always gibing " This is the Prime Minister who has not been voted into office by anyone"
but this is the same for nicky innit
no one voted for her xc her won constituency
and the others voted for their MPs and not her
and it is the SNP who elected her as leader
Unlike voting for the President of the Land of the Free or President Hollande - where your X goes opposite a label like "Hollande"
or in America "incompetent"
( joke! joke!)
Nicola S is always gibing " This is the Prime Minister who has not been voted into office by anyone"
but this is the same for nicky innit
no one voted for her xc her won constituency
and the others voted for their MPs and not her
and it is the SNP who elected her as leader
Unlike voting for the President of the Land of the Free or President Hollande - where your X goes opposite a label like "Hollande"
or in America "incompetent"
( joke! joke!)
Rich - as advised it is not 'you' and 'us' - as things stand, Scotland is still part of the UK, and as such is subject to the rules of Parliament.
It is worth remembering that for all the talk of 'independence' - Scotland does not have sufficient economic depth and security to be able to survive as an independent company.
Independence would be a Pyrrhic victory of the first order if Scotland was to go bankrupt shortly after winning its 'freedom'.
It is worth remembering that for all the talk of 'independence' - Scotland does not have sufficient economic depth and security to be able to survive as an independent company.
Independence would be a Pyrrhic victory of the first order if Scotland was to go bankrupt shortly after winning its 'freedom'.
Scotland is not "part of the UK and therefore subject to."
The UK was formed by the Treaty of Union which brought together two sovereign nation states.
A partnership of equals not rule by one over the other.
People who comment on these things should at least get some of their facts right.
I forgot of course we are now living in the world of "alternative facts"
The UK was formed by the Treaty of Union which brought together two sovereign nation states.
A partnership of equals not rule by one over the other.
People who comment on these things should at least get some of their facts right.
I forgot of course we are now living in the world of "alternative facts"
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For rich 47.
For rich 47.
Scotland actually, really, is "part of the UK and therefore subject to Parliament" - because that Parliament (although it happens to be in London) is elected by the Scots (amongst others) to govern all of the UK.
I'd be sad for Scotland to decide to leave - I have many friends there and like the country a lot - but if they vote to go then that's fine.
But it needs to be on a 'no more free ride on English money' basis - paying all their new bills and settling the tab for everything that they've committed to as part of the UK in the past.
They'd soon have a big sign on the border saying "Welcome to Greece, without the Sunshine".
I'd be sad for Scotland to decide to leave - I have many friends there and like the country a lot - but if they vote to go then that's fine.
But it needs to be on a 'no more free ride on English money' basis - paying all their new bills and settling the tab for everything that they've committed to as part of the UK in the past.
They'd soon have a big sign on the border saying "Welcome to Greece, without the Sunshine".
another "alternative fact" if you like, is the Scotland Act of 1998, amended 2012, both of which the Holyrood Government signed up to.
under that act some powers of self determination were devolved from Westminster; however any question of constitutional matters are reserved to the parliament in Westminster. the Scotland Act provides for further transfers and this is how the previous referendum was arranged, with responsibility for it vested in Holyrood. This required an act of parliament, and provided for one referendum, to be held before a date specified in the act. A further referendum would require another act of parliament, or an amendment to the previous one. Either way it's a constitutional matter and rests with Westminster.
under that act some powers of self determination were devolved from Westminster; however any question of constitutional matters are reserved to the parliament in Westminster. the Scotland Act provides for further transfers and this is how the previous referendum was arranged, with responsibility for it vested in Holyrood. This required an act of parliament, and provided for one referendum, to be held before a date specified in the act. A further referendum would require another act of parliament, or an amendment to the previous one. Either way it's a constitutional matter and rests with Westminster.
Rich, you're taking to peoples who know nothing of Scottish politics, have no say in its future , I believe we all should be more concerned about brexit ATM. I'd be more comfortable with a PM who actually voted to leave the EU. But in the meantime England keep sending you're well earned cash to Scotland always appreciated, thanks :-)
Again as this particular debate (i.e. independence or not) surfaces I do wish people would cease to harp on about some standard accusations and pure speculation, two of which are a) that overall (i.e. in net terms of governance, finance, commerce, etc., etc.) one of the partners in the Union is taking economic advantage of the other(s) and b) that Scotland would go bankrupt or otherwise suffer an inevitable collapse within a few years/months/weeks/days. The former is so complex an issue that there is no way to arrive at an indisputable conclusion either way. The latter has no place or foundation within respectful discourse. However, whenever such sentiments are aired, to me they otherwise serve to underline the urgency for Scotland to become independent, and consigning the UK and the debate to history where hopefully it will be permanently buried - except that so many people within the UK face backward in time and life in general.
Ms Sturgeon's policy is to ask for impossible things in order to get refused and then she can run straight to the nearest available media outlet in a pathetic attempt to make her and Scotland appear to be 'victims' of Westminster. The majority of sensible Scots see through this childish ploy, but not it seems the OP questioner.
I am sure Ms. Sturgeon is far from stupid, and can see that the Scottish people are not minded to pay for another referendum which will offer a potential independence which they cannot sustain.
I wonder therefore if she finds herself painted into a corner, having adopted this as her personal cause, and now finding herself unable to drop it without loss of face.
I wonder therefore if she finds herself painted into a corner, having adopted this as her personal cause, and now finding herself unable to drop it without loss of face.
