What On Earth Is Happening?

[youngmafbog]

Enough is enough, time to reclaim the UK from teh liberal elite who through thir misguided ideology protect thes people. We are not 'Ray-sist' for highlighting this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4546450/Rochdale-horror-goes-abuse-rife-10-years-on.html

[cassa333]

Every crime, regardless of the ethnicity of the people involved should be investigated.

That this is still going on and not being properly investigated because of warped PC is a crime in it self.

[fiction-factory]

Clearly all crimes should be investigated.
But can you give an example of who is a member of the liberal elite please as you keep using this term. Current and recent Prime Ministers? Amber Rudd? Police Chiefs? All judges?
I've no dea what 'Ray sist' means- is it a clever play on words or just another meaningless term?

[anotheoldgit]

Rest in the thought that "Not all Muslims are Terrorists", "not all Muslims are child groomers" so we can all rest comfortable in our beds.

[Sqad]

Whilst there are teenage girls who have no respect for authority, little or no respect for their parents, commonly use the f... word, even to teachers and parents, then they are "ripe" for grooming and what amounts to child prostitution. Many are already experienced in sex matters and many have either had abortions or have children.
Parents and teachers have had corporal punishment taken away from them and the disciplining of these girls is meagre at best.
Of course i don't condone the action of these Asian predators, but whilst the "fodder" is there, they will fill their their lust.
Asian parents tend to have a greater family influence on their children than do western cultures and that is why the girls are white and not Asian.
This has taken at least two generations to develop and we will continue to see grooming continue for at least another generation.....getting worse in my opinion.

[anotheoldgit]

Sqad

I have never in all my years on AB read such a horrible posting, I think you should be ashamed of yourself, you will be saying next that if a female goes out scantly clad she is inviting herself to be raped?

[agchristie]

Sqad - a lack of respect and discipline equates to being 'ripe' for grooming?

I don't subscribe to that theory...

[Sqad]

ag

"who have no respect for authority, little or no respect for their parents, commonly use the f... word, even to teachers and parents, then they are "ripe" for grooming and what amounts to child prostitution."

That was the full quote and i appreciate your reply, but my opinion remains.
AOG..the older i get, the more cynical i think and write. I would not like to be a teenager in this social climate and i do fear for children in the near future.

[Old_Geezer]

It is the old debate about how much someone is responsible for not putting themselves in danger. I don't believe anyone says they are fair game at any point, but that they are not best at knowing how to stay safe.

At the ages we are considering though, I don't think that the child can be expected to make good life decisions. They can not identify those being friendly for surreptitious reasons and those who really have their best interest at heart. For sure good parenting should ensure they don't get into dangerous circumstances, but I do not know how much of a breakdown in instilling good sense is down to the parent and how much down to the offspring. Naturally the guilty party is still those who prey on the naive.

Meanwhile all such crimes should be dealt with. If there is a cultural tendency to not see wrong in abusing another's child then it must be for the respected members of that community to try to change the attitudes of the minority who can not control themselves; but that is separate to the police's job of treating each crime equally.

[anneasquith]

Well sqad, quite a post...........as you yourself stated old age maybe a factor, :-(

[ummmm]

These were vulnerable girls. It has nothing to do with respect. Where was the respect for them when they were put into care?

[EcclesCake]

Sqad, your views are enlightening, just not in a good way.

I am so pleased you, I think, only had boys who you seem to despise for their weakness.

Before judging other parents you may want (I doubt it though) to reflect on your own parenting. I suspect your children have thrived in spite of you. Mrs Sqad is a remarkable lady!

[mikey4444]

I am not in the slightest way surprised that the girls were targeted by these evil men. They were singled out because the men knew that due to their chaotic lifestyles, they would have been easy prey.

What I find less easy to understand though is why most of the girls returned again and again and again, to be raped and ill treated.

[ummmm]

Mikey...because they were under threat. Abusers use threats.

[anneasquith]

Mikey, please don't simplify the actions of these young girls" returning again and again, " its a bit more complex than that .

[mikey4444]

Ummm....yes, I fully realise that, and that may be a reason why some of them continued to allow themselves to be raped.

[Sqad]

Eccles........you seem to jump on the personal bandwagon whenever you reply to my posts.
Yes Mrs sqad did her best and yes one may describe her as remarkable.
I was not the best father, my boys could have had......although i did what i thought was best for them. Some you win and some you lose in any family however you rate yourself as a parent.
Being a bad parent doesn't necessarily invalidate your views on society or parenting as a whole and has to be taken in context.

[EcclesCake]

I'm not sure I would agree with your perspective on my replies to you Sqad, perhaps you are a tad sensitive on the subject?

[Sqad]

Eccles....perhaps ^^^

[ummmm]

Actually, from your posts, Sqad, you sound like a crap father.

[mikey4444]

Ummm...not very nice !

Why can't we debate this very serious subject without slinging insults at each other ?