If Labour Lose...

[Ric.ror]

The election - what next?

[Kromovaracun]

I guess we should just ban protesting then, Talbot, it's all obviously just people chucking fire extinguishers and nothing else.

I can see why Mrs. May appeals to you so much ;)

[-Talbot-]

Kromovaracun
I did watch it. He's calling for mass protests - which used to get called "insurrection" (though I don't know who he means when he says people used to call it this) but is now called "direct action" - i.e. protests and strikes.


Tell me you jest?

[-Talbot-]

Do you want to stand solidarity with Ed Woollard too, Krom?

[Kromovaracun]

Nah. I'll take you through it:

He calls for mass co-ordinated protests.
He says it is called direct action.
He then says it used to be called "insurrection", and says it should be called that again.

It's just stupid foot-stomping politics you always get at events like that. I don't find it alarming.

[Kromovaracun]

No, he's a tit.

[Baldric]

///I can see why Mrs. May appeals to you so much///

Possibly the lack of appeal from A.N.Other.

[naomi24]

Ric.ror, I’m guessing most people here who are tapping away at their keyboards live a reasonable lifestyle. I see no sense whatsoever in insurrection and no reason that it should be a consideration. People like McDonald – and the old hippie, Corbyn - and those who support that mindset are floundering in an impossible and unworkable idealism that is long dead. If it had any chance of working it would have worked somewhere before now ... but it hasn't worked ...anywhere.

[Kromovaracun]

You're right naomi.

Guess I'd better abandon the party whose priorities I broadly agree with in favour of a closet authoritarian who never keeps her word and wants to abolish the free internet by monitoring everything I post.

How realistic of me....

[kvalidir]

So that's pretty much the whole of Scandinavia then Naomi? Lol honestly...

[-Talbot-]

Care to take me through this Krom?

[Khandro]

10 Clarion //I will be voting Labour. //
Is this a gesture? Do you really want to see Corbyn, Abbot and McDonnel along with an assortment of other losers running the country?

[naomi24]

kvalidir, you really think the whole of Scandinavia lives under the form of Socialism that these morons embrace? Think again.... honestly.

[naomi24]

My condolences.

[jim360]

Depends on the scale of the loss:

1. Less than, say, 150 seats: Corbyn goes, ten years or more of Labour in the wilderness, and perhaps eventually they'll work out how to get elected again without also being basically just Tories.

2. Something not much less than what they have now: Corbyn stays, on the (perhaps reasonable) grounds that Labour picked up more votes overall than in 2015 (or even 2010), so that he does have popular support and a platform to build on finally. However the small losses mean that the PLP still doesn't believe Corbyn is electable, and divisions last for years to come.

3. Labour increase the number of seats they own without stopping a Tory Majority: Corbyn stays, and can claim reasonably that he's electable even despite the loss, having had too much ground to make up in terms of seats but still increasing the vote share massively. MPs fall in line and all then depends on whether the electorate want to punish May for delivering a "bad" deal, or reward her for a triumphant return from negotiations.

[agchristie]

I'm looking forward to seeing whether, in fact, the Tories can make some gains in the north-east where I am.

Labour have got to hang on in these parts and pick up as many others as possible.

Jim - I'm going for option 2.

[jim360]

Obviously option 4 is that Labour win somehow (well, option 4a is that Labour stop a Tory Majority and 4b is that they win outright) ... I'd hesitate to put figures on all this but if I had to guess I'd say that Option 1, ie de facto annihilation, is very unlikely, Option 4(a and b) ditto. I think it takes some effort -- or perhaps favourable results in Scotland -- for Labour to make any overall gains.

So yeah, Option 2, which is a virtual status quo, seems the most likely to me. Maybe Labour limiting their losses to 20 seats or so.