Is "enough Is Enough" Enough?

[Khandro]

What does it mean? What's the plan? Rod Liddle has one, he says;
" There are hundreds of people identified by the security services as being ‘of special interest’ because of their patent and frequently expressed wish to kill us all. Deport all of them who were not born in Britain — kick them out. The lot. Those who are British citizens should be kept under the equivalent of house arrest and jailed if they transgress the terms of that house arrest.

Of the other 20,000 who are ‘of interest’ to the security services, deport all those who are not British-born. Do not let people who have been fighting for Isis in Syria and Iraq back into the UK. Close down Islamic schools. If Muslims want to send their kids to Islamic schools, let them do so in Bangladesh or Qatar, not here. We are not yet an Islamic country.

And start investigating the mosques with a bit more rigour. How about that? "

Well, how about that?

[Bigbad]

Zacs-Master
I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me, just the scoffing and scornful way in which some people do so.

Some folks see the need to comment on any thread just for the sake of it, others like to ‘stalk’ other posters, and some just think that their opinion is the only one that matters.

I prefer to only comment on things that I feel strongly about, and whilst I appreciate that my opinions can be somewhat unconventional and unpopular, it doesn’t necessarily mean that I am wrong.

[Zacs-Master]

Fair enough.

[jason.p]

We all agree that if assessed as a threat, potential or actual, the threat must be "neutralised". I think, just to isolate them in prisons or "ghetto enclaves" is not the answer. Our prisons were not designed for this type of criminal, and the ghetto would just be a festering pit of growing discontent storing up more trouble for the future. Perhaps some kind of "corrction centres", whatever the cost!! This could involve a full range re- direction, through to lobotomy if required. Maybe they could be sent to an ISIS war zone of their choice as an alternative.
Sounds a bit George Orwell, but needs must and all that.

[Khandro]

A report of 18 months ago said Muslims were actively trying to get INTO prison the radicalise the incarcerated.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/dec/12/islamists-radicalise-convicts-prison-officers

Time to think outside of the box.

[naomi24]

Zacs, //I don't see you coming up with many ideas. //

Oh, I’ve come up with lots of ideas. Perhaps you missed those posts.

Eddie, //I have had a bit more worldwide experience that most AB members! //

That's a big assumption!

[naomi24]

And actually Eddie, your posts don’t convince me.

[EDDIE51]

^ I'm happy with that.

[emmie]

good thinking, can't see any of it being put into practice however much one wants to see it done.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Just started reading this thread and came to this:

//Investigate the mosques to what ends? Radicalisation is done in private on peoples' PCs, not in public at a mosque.
The Manchester bomber was actually reported by his local mosque when they spotted his extremist behaviour.
The mosques are a source of true uncorupted Islam, not some bastardised fanatical version that people will find if left to their own devices.//

POL (that's paroxysm of laughter to you).

"True, uncorrupted Islam!. Dear me!

How easily people can be persuaded to believe lies, half-truths and nonsense.His local mosque is Salafist for Heaven's sake!

I'm sure this stupidity will be challenged and look forward to reading the rest of the thread when I've fed the cats.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Cats fed.

Now then, where was I? Ah,should have read two posts further:

"Gromit, //The mosques are a source of true uncorupted Islam, not some bastardised fanatical version that people will find if left to their own devices. //
Codswallop!"

Further to this topic anybody watch QT on the Manchester atrocity? (Not me - haven't watched it for eons - but did get see some excerpts on Youtube).

This edition had the the usual type of panellist, in this case including Amber Rudd and Andy Burnham.

So, Gromit's assumptions about what is taught in mosques. Let me summarise a brief interchange among two members of the audience and David Dimbleby.

Bloke: "Went to a Didsbury mosque open day and got free material -expensively packaged with DVD." (He quotes part of it about the difficulty of Muslims living in the West: "Modesty, shame and honour have no place in Western civilisation")

Girl in scarf (asked to comment by DD): "I attend the mosque regularly and haven't seen anything like this. Don't know where this comes from."

Bloke: "It was an open day and they were handing out free material to all the visitors...".

DD (interrupting): "We don't know who handed this out and who wrote it. That's the point here. [applause by audience] Let's go to another question...".

The exchange takes place in the twenty-sixth to twenty-ninth minutes of the show:



The possibility that "Bloke" was telling the truth was denied by "Girl in scarf" and considered (apparently) irrelevant by DD.

What do you think?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Smarter than Chomsky (and often no less stupid) produced this:

"another thread on one muslim is bad so therefore all muslims are bad".

This libel is terribly tedious.

[Khandro]

v_e; Ref. "another thread on one muslim is bad so therefore all muslims are bad". I wonder sometimes if AB shouldn't have along with the category 'Best Answer', one for the 'Most Stupid and Irrelevant'.

[Zacs-Master]

'Oh, I’ve come up with lots of ideas. Perhaps you missed those posts'

Nope. They were the same as everyone else's. no conclusive results.

[scooping]

' The Manchester bomber was actually reported by his local mosque'. I think this was reported early on but was subsequently reported that this was not in fact the case.

[jourdain2]

Back to the beginning, if I can remember it. It was about deporting suspected terrorists. Yes, there is a problem with 'home-grown' ones, but we could start by ridding ourselves of the others-this will at least help to focus on a fewer number and then we can hone down to the serious threats.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - Ideal though I am sure you would think it is, you can’t intern someone for being ‘of interest’. That amounts to imprisoning someone for something you think they might do. That is ‘thought crime’ – we don’t do that is a free society.

[Khandro]

andy-hughes; It only requires the government - whose prime job it is to protect its subjects,- to declare a 'state of emergency';
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/07/uk-would-have-to-declare-state-of-emergency-to-change-human-rights-laws.

"People of interest", ha-ha, what a plonker you are.

[Peter Pedant]

// AB shouldn't have along with the category 'Best Answer', one for the 'Most Stupid and Irrelevant'.//

or most abusive

or most non-sensical comment by OP or.....

[naomi24]

Zacs, mmmm….. first you say you don’t see me coming up with many ideas – and then you say my ideas were the same as everyone else’s. Make your mind up.

v-e, perhaps I should apologise for my limited response to Gromit’s meanderings but having become accustomed to his meanderings on the subject of Islam, ‘Codswallop’ suffices.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I don't take exception to your "limited" response, Naomi.

Codswallop? Concise. To the point.