Six Months Imprisonment For Hitting Someone With A Pack Of Bacon, Is That Too Harsh?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4653826/Racist-thug-hit-Muslim-teen-packet-bacon.html

While physical attacks of any sort should be condemned and punished, did this thug deserve imprisonment?

Interesting to note that it is reported that he was jailed for racially aggravated assault and then later the police vowed to crack down on race hate attacks.

Muslims are not a race.

[anotheoldgit]

If nothing else, when I posted this thread today, I didn't expect it would reach 100 posts.

Now admit it, it has been a lot more entertaining today than it has been all week, it would have been so boring on here this week if it hadn't been for the AB Editor's farewell thread.

[ummmm]

His analogy is not flawed. The bacon made it a religious hate crime. Hit a Catholic with some bacon and it has nothing to do with religion.

You do like to back peddle..!

[Islay]

Not bragging AOG stating facts.
To the person who said there were no personal insults on here perhaps you missed the one where AOG stated that it would be a hate crime if he hit me insinuating not for the first time that he hated me!!

[-Talbot-]

THECORBYLOON
" I suspect that if this case hadn't involve the Muslim element the sentence would have been much less" erm...that would be why the "religiously aggravated" is added.



Are crimes against religious people are more serious than crimes against non religious people?

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

Are you saying then, that if he had hit her with his bare hand, his sentence would have been much lighter, since it could not be classed as a 'religious hate crime'?

[anotheoldgit]

Good point -Talbot-.

[Mamyalynne]

Whether we approve or not 'Aggravation' is taken into account in Law.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggravation_(law)


If he had slapped her in the face whilst shouting the vile abuse he did , then yes it was still an aggravated assault.

[Peter Pedant]

// Are you saying then, that if he had hit her with his bare hand, his sentence would have been much lighter, since it could not be classed as a 'religious hate crime'? //

yes of course we are -
if he had hit her with a knife it would be different to hitting her with a car-jack, and yes stuffing a taser into her mouth and tasering her is different to stuffing a pkt of fags in and shouting
'smoking is bad for you!'
and as for non-halal cream filled donuts .....

[ummmm]

No...I'm saying two crimes were committed.

[trt]

Why does the Muslim faith think that only pigs are dirty, and thats why they wont eat pork?

Goat is one of the favored meats consumed by Muslims, but having spent 10 years in the UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain, I have seen them being kept in filthy, shocking conditions.

[naomi24]

Stepping gingerly (“No offence to ginger people”, naomi said swiftly) around the argy-bargy here, Best Answer has been given to agchristie who suggests a short, sharp shock in place of a prison sentence might be more appropriate. Can anyone suggest what that short, sharp shock might involve?

[jno]

I would have thought three months in prison would be a good short, sharp shock, and that's what he'll get. I hope it works.

[jambutty]

Chuck a bacon butty in his face??

[ladybirder]

What is it that horrible 'warder'?? uses to discipline the 'maids' in The Handmaid's Tale? That'll do.

[sandyRoe]

A month imprisoned in a wing full of Islamic fundamentalists.
I think that would teach him to keep his bacon to himself.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, the man pled guilty to the charges. Had he thought there was no religious element to the attack, would he not have argued for a less serious charge?

[agchristie]

I've only just come back to this thread but I would have liked to see how a Restorative Justice scenario would be played out.

Obviously, it would require both parties to be willing to participate but these procedures have been shown to be highly effective in making the perpetrator realise the impact of their actions towards their victim(s).

[THECORBYLOON]

I wonder if ANOTHEOLDGIT has bothered to look at the CPS guidance?

[Peter Pedant]

// it would require both parties to be willing to participate//
restorative justice

yeah ... what about rape ? - rupe in case the censor has had a go.
yeah I like the idea of willingness to participate -[ leers in an OAP fashion hur hur hur]