Eu Citizens Rights Still Not Right According To Barnier

[cassa333]

He wants EU citizens in the U.K. To have the same rights as British citizens in the EU.

So is he going to tell Trump that all EU citizens in the US must have the same rights as EU citizens in the EU and that he has to allow the ECHR to preside over the US?

I think not, so why should we allow it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40579769

[New Judge]

The trouble is that Mr Barnier has not yet got used to the idea that as far as the UK is concerned the days of free movement of people is soon to come to an end. He cannot envisage such circumstances.

The offer the UK has made regarding the rights of EU citizens already here (and indeed those yet to come) is more than generous. It considerably exceeds anything that any reasonable country would expect. But the problem is the EU is not and never will be reasonable.

[dannyk13]

Barnier is putting every obstacle in the way in the hope that we won't leave.

[Garaman]

// He wants EU citizens in the U.K. To have the same rights as British citizens in the EU. //

That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[dannyk13]

If you read the article that is not really what he said:-
//"The British position does not allow those persons concerned to continue to live their lives as they do today//.He is also saying that we must remain a participant of the ECHR which we have said we will leave.He is being as awkward as he can.

[Old_Geezer]

It's easy for the side who wants no change to offer no change. It's not a serious offer though as the side that wants change isn't going to settle for no change.

Clearly such an offer is unreasonable, as a blatant example, the European Court of Justice ECJ must NOT have jurisdiction to guarantee rights in the UK. One wonders why he wishes to cause problems, what is his hidden agenda ? What is he really angling for ?

[dannyk13]

OG He is hoping that we will stay in the EU.

[Old_Geezer]

:-D LOL
No, seriously though....

[Garaman]

dannyK13, yes I agree he is saying that the British position doesn't allow those already resident here to be treated as they were, instead they will be treated as other foreigners. It seems quite reasonable to me to let those here continue as they were, and in a reciprocal action, those Brits living in the EU continue as they were. Then change the rules for any newcomers.

[dannyk13]

OG, A while ago he announced that the door was still open for us ti remain in the EU.

[Old_Geezer]

Indeed he did and I wondered then why he was extracting the Michael.

[scooping]

Fervent Brexiteer but I agree with him. Don't get the Trump bit. It's daft anyway. As for the ECHR and the ECJ one is independent of the EU in any case. As for 'allow it' surely this is what negotiations should be about. It's not about 'allowing' it.

[dannyk13]

Garaman, The proposal put forward by Theresa May was more than generous.I don't think Barnier will accept any of our proposals.

[Garaman]

//Garaman, The proposal put forward by Theresa May was more than generous.I don't think Barnier will accept any of our proposals.//

I don't think it was more than generous, nor do I think it is what we will end up with, but it was a reasonable opening offer.

[scooping]

Indeed the May offer was generous, too generous. That is to say I agree with what she proposed but as an opening gambit it gave no incentive for the EU to meet the same criteria. It's supposed to be a negotiation.

[ludwig]

// A while ago he announced that the door was still open for us ti remain in the EU. //

That's funny. The door's usually open when you want to leave somewhere not remain there.

[dannyk13]

Are you being just a tad pedantic Ludwig?

[scooping]

Ludwig: Excellent point. And don't really see the point or need for this complicated and unprecedented process to be played out every day for two years. A monthly update from HM Government would be sufficient. Otherwise we'll all go mad.

[ludwig]

Possibly. I just thought it was funny.

[ludwig]

This is how the deal making will go.

opening positions..
UK: We demand to retain all the benefits of being in the EU without actually being in it and having to follow any of the rules.

EU: We want everything to remain exactly as it is but for the UK to give us a billion pounds just for having the audacity to want to leave.

Final result (gawd knows how many years later):
Something in between.

[scooping]

Ludwig. Far worse than that, They're talking about 100billion.