ChatterBank0 min ago
The Times.
The Times reports today, that Brexit could spell the break up of the Con Party. OMG.
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Labour originally had far more profound divisions over Europe when it was lead by Wilson, but even they were as nothing compared to the tensions currently straining at the leash in the Conservatives.
It's looking very likely, though, that there's going to be a coup against May in the autumn, and everybody knows her government will collapse at the first sign of pressure. None of the likely contenders are minded to compromise so I predict that the leadership contest will be a good deal more acrimonious and nasty than the relatively smooth one they were bragging about last year.
That won't destroy the party though. There's every chance they'll win the next election because having torn up the FTPA they'll just be very tactical about when they call it.
It's looking very likely, though, that there's going to be a coup against May in the autumn, and everybody knows her government will collapse at the first sign of pressure. None of the likely contenders are minded to compromise so I predict that the leadership contest will be a good deal more acrimonious and nasty than the relatively smooth one they were bragging about last year.
That won't destroy the party though. There's every chance they'll win the next election because having torn up the FTPA they'll just be very tactical about when they call it.
look at this graph mikey (page down):
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high percentage of low earners, manual workers, uneducated etc had a a large impact, not traditional Tories eh? I'd say Labour voters had a major contribution.
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high percentage of low earners, manual workers, uneducated etc had a a large impact, not traditional Tories eh? I'd say Labour voters had a major contribution.
according to the Gruaniad 35% of Labour voted brexit;
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"It is Labour for whom the vote to leave the EU has caused the most acute problems. By a solid majority of 65% to 35%, its 2015 voters backed remain at the referendum. However, the 35% of Labour leave voters are disproportionately the traditional working-class Labour voters the party is struggling to keep hold of."
"It is Labour for whom the vote to leave the EU has caused the most acute problems" - The guardian Mikey not me!
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"It is Labour for whom the vote to leave the EU has caused the most acute problems. By a solid majority of 65% to 35%, its 2015 voters backed remain at the referendum. However, the 35% of Labour leave voters are disproportionately the traditional working-class Labour voters the party is struggling to keep hold of."
"It is Labour for whom the vote to leave the EU has caused the most acute problems" - The guardian Mikey not me!
TTT...thanks you for confirming the majority of Labour supporters voted to remain !
But, of course, Labour voters were scared by Farage, just as lots of other people were. But many more Tory voters sided with Farage, so please don't blame the Labour Party for the situation that we find ourselves in today.
Can I also remind you that the Official Labour policy was to remain....in exactly the same way as every other serious political party did.
But, of course, Labour voters were scared by Farage, just as lots of other people were. But many more Tory voters sided with Farage, so please don't blame the Labour Party for the situation that we find ourselves in today.
Can I also remind you that the Official Labour policy was to remain....in exactly the same way as every other serious political party did.
“But many more Tory voters sided with Farage, so please don't blame the Labour Party for the situation that we find ourselves in today.”
There’s no need for “blame” to be apportioned on any political party, Mikey. The majority of those who voted put their cross in the “Leave” box. They are the ones who should be thanked rather than blamed because despite the best efforts of all three main parties they chose a different way.
You mention our “situation” as if we are in a parlous or perilous state. Nothing is further from the truth. We have an opportunity to forge a new relationship with the rest of the world (population about twelve times that of the EU) on terms that suit us. We no longer have to worry about the needs and wishes of 27 other very disparate nations, many of whom have no interest in what is best for the UK. How bad can that be, especially bearing in mind that our membership of the EU has not seen us covered with riches beyond our wildest dreams? It’s a situation that, if they told the truth, many other EU nations would relish. Far from being “scared by Farage” I was encouraged to see that my decision (which I took in 1992 when Mr Farage was still working as a City trader) was supported by somebody who knows more about the EU and its pernicious machinations than I ever will.
There’s no need for “blame” to be apportioned on any political party, Mikey. The majority of those who voted put their cross in the “Leave” box. They are the ones who should be thanked rather than blamed because despite the best efforts of all three main parties they chose a different way.
You mention our “situation” as if we are in a parlous or perilous state. Nothing is further from the truth. We have an opportunity to forge a new relationship with the rest of the world (population about twelve times that of the EU) on terms that suit us. We no longer have to worry about the needs and wishes of 27 other very disparate nations, many of whom have no interest in what is best for the UK. How bad can that be, especially bearing in mind that our membership of the EU has not seen us covered with riches beyond our wildest dreams? It’s a situation that, if they told the truth, many other EU nations would relish. Far from being “scared by Farage” I was encouraged to see that my decision (which I took in 1992 when Mr Farage was still working as a City trader) was supported by somebody who knows more about the EU and its pernicious machinations than I ever will.
