Trump Is Liberating The Usa

[Khandro]

....from decades of stifling PC. would you agree?

[Zacs-Master]

Nice, if a little aggressive, bow out of your own post Khandro.

Just one little shred of evidence that Trump is, or even will, change the political landscape and liberate the USA? Just one. No?

[naomi24]

Zacs, //But you said that Khandro's point would make for a good debate.//

I didn’t say that. I said the theory could have produced some interesting discussion. That’s twice this morning you’ve misquoted me. Hard work here at times.

[Zacs-Master]

Tomayto/ Tomarto.

Talking of hard work, how are you doing with finding a shred of practical evidence to support the claim that Trump is / will liberate the USA? Any joy on that?

[naomi24]

Zacs, why are you asking me to support a claim I haven't made? Very odd!

[Khandro]

naomi; I have often tried to figure out what Zacs-master is a 'master' of.
I think it might be evasion and something which comes out of the rear end of bovines.

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, younsaid it was a theory. A thery requires supporting evidence. All I'm asking is, do you have any?

Khandro, imthiught you'd bowed out? Anyway, again, do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your claim that Trump is liberating the USA. Calling my comments BS does you no favours and simple illustrates you have no answer to my points.

[Zacs-Master]

I thought

[naomi24]

Zacs, it's not my theory, If you want evidence supporting it watch the video.

[Zacs-Master]

I never said it was your theory but you're on record as stating it is one. If you think it's a theory, surely you must believe there is evidence to support it?

[albaqwerty]

Is the USA liberated yet?

Never knew it was in shackles. Must be good news to the native Americans.

[jim360]

If an argument is, or appears to be, flawed from the outset, it's not really clear to me what's gained from checking that it is indeed flawed all the way through. That way amounts to spending time that could be far more productively employed. In plotting the Invasion of the Soviet Union in the mid 1940s, for example, which is how I spent my morning. (At least it's time I enjoyed wasting...)

As I see it, there clearly *is* an element of "the Left" that, in trying to combat genuine racism, sexism, etc, goes too far. That's not exactly in dispute. There was a thread yesterday about some moron from Cambridge illustrating the point. But what I think Khandro, and the makers of this video, and just the general anti-PC brigade miss is that it's rather a small element of left-wing politics. A vocal one, and easy to spot, to be sure, but small all the same. But then they use this small element to justify their crusade against "PC" of all kinds -- or, as I prefer to call it, good manners. Perhaps, too, they conveniently forget how the position was even, say, a few years ago, when the basic complaint they make about PC, ie lack of freedom to speak one's mind, applied even more vigorously in the other direction. Still does, to an extent.

I'm not unaware of the issues surrounding "Political Correctness" -- including its exaggerated extent by certain people keen to push the opposite agenda. If this video adds anything to that debate, apart from repeating hackneyed arguments and then tying them to Trump for no good reason, then I'd be very much surprised.

Perhaps those who have watched it could care to point me to some of the original arguments it makes?

[Togo]

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle.

[jim360]

Sure, but I entertained the thought several times in my life already.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm still waiting for clarification on the 'originality' front too Jim. Seems like some eejit with a video camera is all it takes for some people to be convinced that Trump is the new messiah of politics.

Anyone who believes Trump has a master plan is clearly deluded and it comes as no surprise that they believe this completely unsubstantiated claptrap.

[naomi24]

Zacs, in your pursuit of an answer from me that might suit your purpose you appear to have ants in your pants on this. Just a theory of course – although not in the scientific sense of the word. ;o)

[Zacs-Master]

I'm after an answer which would substantiate your support of a theory.

You, quite derogatorily, sometimes say things like 'quite simple isn't it' but I'm tempted to use it myself in the face of your smokescreening.

[naomi24]

Zacs, I’ve neither supported nor condemned the speaker’s theory. I’ve simply said it would make for interesting discussion - which quite simply, I would have thought, is quite simple

[Zacs-Master]

You've agreed it's a theory. What evidence do you (or Khandro if he's finished sucking his thumb in the corner) do you have to support this? What specific words or actions have demonstrated that Trump is a new-order politician and which will be a catalyst for others to emulate?

I'm just after one or two simple examples which support the guy in the videos assertions.

[naomi24]

Zacs, I didn't 'agree' it's a theory. I actually suggested it's a theory (and we're not talking a scientific theory here so get that straight now) because that's how I viewed the content of the video. Now either go and scratch those ants in your pants or carry on in the certain knowledge that I won't be listening. This is becoming extremely tedious.

[Zacs-Master]

'I didn't 'agree' it's a theory. I actually suggested it's a theory'

You've lost the plot old girl.