Is Ids Right?

[youngmafbog]

I think so, time to rid of the "remoaners". I have no problem with listening to those who voted to leave but accept the result but those like Hammond who are clearly trying to stay in by the back door need to go.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4755392/Sack-four-envoys-hate-Brexit-IDS-tells-Theresa-May.html

[douglas9401]

There is a stock answer to the question 'Is Ids Right'.

Regardless of context it's always 'no'.

[dannyk13]

Yes, I think so. There are people who want to remain doing all they can to thwart Brexit from happening including Hammond.

[jim360]

"I have no problem with listening to those who voted to leave but accept the result..."

This is a typo I assume, should it not read "voted to remain but accept the result"?

[naomi24]

^I agree.

[naomi24]

^That was to danny.

[dannyk13]

With whom Naomi?

[mikey4444]

Mrs May probably won't do anything, unless she is forced to YMB....she is a lame dog PM, and knows that if she kicks up too much, the knives will come out sooner rather than later.

[dannyk13]

Sorry, crossed posts.

[youngmafbog]

Correct jim.

[youngmafbog]

I'm afraid you may be right Mickey.

[naomi24]

Mikey, the knives might not come out as quickly as you hope. I'm not sure anyone wants the job right now - except Mr Corbyn of course.

[jim360]

Thought so ymb -- to be fair, Osborne (remember him?) the Remainer once gave an interview in which he explained how hard he had fought in favour of "leaving the EU -- sorry, of remaining in the EU", so it's an easy slip to make!

I don't think IDS is right. Obviously. But having said that, I'm not sure how Hammond is still in his job. At the level of Cabinet, at least, I wouldn't think it unreasonable to appoint ministers who agree with the PM's agenda, rather than openly disagree all the time. I'm not saying he should go, but I am saying that I'm surprised to see him stay.

Envoys are maybe closer to cabinet level than I give them credit for, so perhaps the argument is the same after all.

[mikey4444]

The difficulty May finds herself in now, is that she is damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't. But her Cabinet seems very disloyal. This is reminding me more and more of the last days of John Major..........remember his remarks regarding Bar Stewards ?

While the cats away, etc.

[jim360]

It's probably also worth pointing out that the realities of the recent election mean that Theresa May et al don't really have the luxury of choosing whom to listen to, if they want to get things done. Remain-supporting MPs, peers and other officials can't be shunted to one side when you have minority government. Especially in the Lords, it would just lead to defeat after defeat after defeat.

[ToraToraTora]

he's bang on you should not have people who's heart isn't in it doing negotiations, they'll make it go wrong so they can say na na nana na.

[Garaman]

People judge others by how they would behave.

[jim360]

Well you could replace the Civil Service along with the MPs if you like, but I'm not sure that would be very sensible.

Yes, I'm aware that these envoys aren't Civil Servants, but what I am saying is that the principle TTT is espousing, ie of only employing "yes-men", is still nonsensical.

[naomi24]

//Well you could replace the Civil Service along with the MPs //

Why would you do that? The Civil Service does its job - regardless of flavour of government.

[jim360]

You wouldn't -- but the Civil Service is filled with people who disagree with what they've been told to do, but do it anyway because that's their job. My post was in response to TTT's suggestion that "you should not have people who's [sic] heart isn't in it doing negotiations".

[naomi24]

Jim, but as you said Civil Servants aren't negotiating so I really don't see the point you're attempting to make.