Do You Agree With The Labour Mp For Rotherham That There Is A Link Between Ethnic Backgrounds And A Propensity To Commit Certain Crimes?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/newcastle-sex-ring-child-abuse-racist-rotherham-mp-sarah-champion-labour-asian-gang-community-a7885486.html

/// But her comments are likely to be criticised by those who say they risk cultivating racist attitudes by implying a link between ethnic background a propensity to commit certain crimes. ///

One must surely ask, does the introduction of different cultures also introduce more crime?

[vetuste_ennemi]

No, I don't. There is, however, a link between certain cultures and certain behaviours. Else what's a culture for?

[youngmafbog]

The problem with mass immigration, especially if you create 'special' communities is that some will believe they are above the law. This is what is happening here, they think (because they hve been until now) that the Police will turn a blind eye in case they are accused of racism (a term the liberal left love to bandy about to silence their critics)

So I dont fully blame the 'communities' I more blame the minority right-on liberal left that have infiltrated our society.

[anotheoldgit]

vetuste_ennemi

You have got me confused, don't you believe that crime is included in those "certain behaviours"?

[ladybirder]

Lord McDonald on BBC News just now, said "It is time we recognised it for what it is. It is a Racist crime." Good for him.

[anotheoldgit]

Yes but certain crimes have increased in numbers since we became a multicultural country.

And before anyone comes up with the old chestnut, " yes but we had crime back then" I say this yes that is quite correct, but not on the scale we have it today or the type of crimes we see today.

[anotheoldgit]

ladybirder
Yet I wonder if racial crime will be amongst the crimes that they are accused of?

[youngmafbog]

I'm not so sure it is. In all walks of life there are perverts and this also applies to different cultures around the world.

Agreed there is a conflict in belief of how young a person can be a sexual partner which may be leading to a proliferation of Pakistani child crimes but what we need to be able to do is to investigate and understand the real underlying issue without being labelled racist. Remember people from these communities have been able to operate with relative impunity up until now it could be that the Police now being able to investigate are simply bringing to justice those that should have been taken off the street years ago.

[Old_Geezer]

The statistics should bring out any such connection should there be one. My opinion is of lesser influence. Meanwhile one must ensure that the truth doesn't become a prisoner to PC.

[anotheoldgit]

youngmafbog

Why scared of being called a racist, one has to call a spade a spade?

I can never remember in all my long like crime being on the scale or the type, before the mass introduction of different cultures into the UK.

Back in 1955 I remember seeing the Frank Sinatra film "The Man with the Golden Arm" about drug addition, it scared me to death, we had never seen anything like it in this country.

But as they say when "America sneezes we catch a cold", since America as long been a multicultural country, that is proving to be correct.

[ToraToraTora]

Yes

[andy-hughes]

The difficulty with this issue is that it leads to vast over-simplification of complex social issues.

The easy line to draw - and popular with tabloid readers and therefore pointed out ad nauseum to them, is the idea that Asians run grooming gangs, therefore the increase of Asians leads to an increase in grooming gangs.

That is a knee-jerk conclusion (and a vote winner!) but I suggest that the issue is more complex than a dog being born in a stable and being a horse.

[ToraToraTora]

The general belief from muslim men is that western women are fair game. The evidence for that is vast and undeniable.

[Mamyalynne]

I think that what is almost as abhorrent as the crimes committed are the feeble excuses for not stepping in at first knowledge for fear of toe treading or accusations of any sort.

That to me is piffle, if a crime is suspected - get in and do the job, do not let it gather pace like a runaway train down a hill.

[Mamyalynne]

Do people carry their own standards and customs from Country of birth to Country of settlement?

Yes, throughout the ages people have always done that, but all must be taught that the laws of the land they inhabit apply to them too, that should go across the board.

[whiskeryron]

Let us with certainty call a spade a spade. Before the introduction of a multicultural society ( of which we the people had no choice) we did NOT have gangs of any sort interfering with young girls. There has always been rape & sex crimes but NOT on the scale that is being seen now, so yes for some reason known only to certain sections of the Asian male population young white girls are being targeted & it all should be investigated further.

[ToraToraTora]

steady Ron pointing out the obvious will get the Right On brigade on your case!

[Khandro]

The rule of law in Rotherham is the same as it is in the rest of the Britain and is based on British culture, its history and its ethos of Christianity. Many of these perpetrators are illiterate or at best semi-literate and have not only no understanding of British culture, but openly despise it and come from, and continue to live in, the manner of their primitive Muslim origins.

[Khandro]

I particularly liked one of the comments following the article;

"This whole sad episode reminds me of the ex President of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Mr Musharraf, who famously said:
"Today we (Muslims) are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race"
Why didn't the Muslim community call him "racist"? "

[ToraToraTora]

...and not much has changed Khandro!

[anotheoldgit]

A H

/// the idea that Asians run grooming gangs, therefore the increase of Asians leads to an increase in grooming gangs. ///

I don't know if or not Asian numbers have increased recently in this country, all I know from all news outlets is the fact that Grooming cases carried out by gangs of Asian men are on the increase, more than at any time in the past.

So perhaps it is not a mater of whether or not the number of Asians are increasing, but that they are here in the first place.

Or at least the ones that are libel to commit these dreadful evil crimes.