Garaman, I am not at all confused. I may have on previous threads stated my belief that we must immediately start doing some of the things advocated by others on this thread and latterly by VE. I do however find myself bemused by people who purport to be rational and thinking, but constantly deny(getting less frequent) that the problem exists, and whilst having no idea of what to do gladly adopt a critical eye and voice against any who are willing to state the non PC obvious ways of dealing with them.