Burma:fake News & Aung San Suu Kyi

[Khandro]

She says we only see the "The Tip of the Iceberg" with more lies and distortions from the BBC, The Guardian and others, putting out verifiable falsely attributed pictures, biased reporting and demands for her to be stripped of her Nobel Prize.
Are we being given a fair picture?
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/reporting-on-the-rohingya-the-tip-of-a-huge-iceberg-of-misinformation

[woofgang]

Do we have any evidence from anywhere else about what Aung San Suu Kyi has said or about what the beeb has said about the fake pictures? You could open a bottle of wine with that website.

[roopower]

I'm not sure we ever get a fair picture about anything, sadly

[Khandro]

woofgang, the evidence is in the article;

"Jonathan Head discusses at the BBC website four of the most widely-circulated photographs, ostensibly showing Rohingya victims of current Buddhist violence, that are examples of “fake news.” The first photograph, showing a number of bloated corpses, “does appear on several websites dated last year. This suggests the image is not from the recent violence in Rakhine state.’’ “Suggests” is British understatement for “clearly shows.”
The BBC has ascertained that the second photograph, of a woman mourning a dead man tied to a tree, was taken in Aceh, Indonesia, in June 2003, by a photographer working for Reuters.
The third photograph, of two infants crying over the body of their mother, is from Rwanda in July 1994. It was taken by Albert Facelly for Sipa, and was one of series of photos that won a World Press Award.

It has also been difficult to track down the fourth image, of people immersed in a canal, but it can be found on a website appealing for funds to help victims of recent flooding in Nepal.

In other words, not one of the four photographs widely distributed as examples of Rohingya suffering has anything to do with the Rohingyas. This is what the BBC’s south-east Asia correspondent has confirmed. Surely that ought to be made widely known, and just as surely, it won’t."

[jim360]

It's an unfortunate fact of life that lies spread rather a lot faster than the truth -- and that lies are hard to kill once they've been told. I've no doubt that some of what's said about Rohingya is "fake news", but it does seem a little troubling that Suu Kyi's response so far hasn't focused on the third-of-a-million refugees and their plight, which is undoubtedly severe whatever the cause.

[albaqwerty]

I'm sure Aung San Suu Kyi was being interviewed on an edition of the BBC's hard talk and on leaving was heard to say 'I never knew I was going to be interviewed by a muslim' ?

Anyway, surely 400,000 folk fleeing Burma into Bangladesh can't have been wrong about what has been going on for decades?

Really don't think they'd be too concerned about photos from web-sites either.

[Khandro]

I have known Burma and Buddhism isn't just a religion, it is ingrained in every facet of daily life and Buddhists do not persecute people because of their religion. The problems here arise from the Muslim leaders, aided and abetted by outsiders such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Saudis, encouraged to demand a separate Islamic state with its own Sharia law within Burma. These people are not 'Burmese' by race, history or religion, they are as Aung San Suu Kyi says, illegal immigrants.
Their demands and violent protests were put down by the military which led to more violence.
As always it is the poorest and weakest of them with the women and children who are having to bear the price of the unreasonable demands of their leaders.

[Khandro]

Even the BBC seems now to be beginning to see that there is perhaps another side to this story;

"The latest wave of Rohingya fleeing their homes began on 25 August, following attacks by Rohingya militants on police and military posts."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41250057

[atalanta]

You should see the cartoon in today's Times. She seems to have gone from heroine to leper.

[fender62]

guess the burmese want rid of muslims, seeing what has happened in countries that have muslims as a minority, seems like a trend with islam, where ever they migrate to, chaos eventually ensues with bombings shootings mowing down people in vehicles, stabbings etc

[ichkeria]

More extremist right wing spam from khandro I'm afraid.
Inaccurate reporting is one thing, but to accuse the BBC, Guardian etc of "lies and distortions" while at the same time promoting websites with an obvious news agenda, is pretty poor.

[fender62]

ichkeria, not quit true...read the history for yourself, and as iv said where ever is islam migrates to, trouble follows..death destruction chaos, not a nice ideology, have you read the koran, i have and with a neutral perspective, not skewed.

[ichkeria]

...none of which has a lot to do with my complaint abou the op

[ichkeria]

Robert Spencer may be a very nice man, but if the BBC etc are not "getting it right" then nor I would not bank on him for a balanced picture of anything to do with Islam.
That is my point. It sounds suspiciously parallel to an imagined anti-Semite denying the holocaust. He may be right for all I know, but I'll go to the BBC any day rather than lap up the dumb conspiracy line that the "mainstream media" is plainly trying to deceive us. Who is the fool I wonder?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Two years ago a Nobel laureate Sir Tim Hunt was humiliated, deprived of his honorary position and driven out of his country by today's thought police and its brown-shirt irregulars.

Sir Tim's "crime" was making a bad joke in an impromptu speech.

A Nobel laureate of quite a different ilk is now under attack. Aung San Suu Kyi was under house arrest in Burma for fifteen years under the Burmese junta. (Less time and under better conditions than those endured by Nelson Mandela, let me say. But strong evidence of moral fortitude and decency, wouldn't you agree?)

Well, today's brown-shirts don't like Suu Kyi any more: she needs to be stripped of her Peace Prize.

What you might wonder is her crime? It's this: she doesn't accept the "correct" interpretation of of the Muslim/Buddhist issue in Myanmar.

There is an historical context (and a fairly recent one at that - not that th Beb etc are ikely to even suggest as much) in which to to view the current situation.

Here's Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_people

[vetuste_ennemi]

// ...but I'll go to the BBC any day//

The article quotes the BBC itself about the "fake" phiotos. And the "tip of the iceberg" reference is attribute to Suu Kyi herself. It might be worth asking the question "Are these attributions correct?", mightn't it?

Also, why would anybody believe that the BBC presents "a balanced picture of ... Islam"?

[goodlife]

(I'm not sure we ever get a fair picture about anything)

Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs,” wrote the psalmist. (Psalm 146:3)
Just this inspired statement helps true Christian to acknowledge that many humans do not deserve our confidence. Even those who are held in high esteem as the “nobles” of this world, such as experts in specialized fields of knowledge or activity, do not automatically deserve our trust. Their guidance is often fallible, and trust placed in such “nobles” can quickly turn into disappointment.

So how will is take you lot see this.

[NoMercy]

Goodlife - I know it's not yet 11am, but why don't you go and open a bottle of wine. It might give you some clarity.

[Khandro]

I put this last week in the wrong category

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question1570310.html

[Khandro]

^^ That post is a mistake and should have been elsewhere, sorry.