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Nhs Workers Demand 3.9% Pay Rise
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These workers have seen their pay drop by 15% since 2010, and this rise is only 1% in real terms, as inflation is now 2.9%.
If Police and Prison Officers deserve their recently announced pay rise, and they do, without doubt, then NHS Staff do as well
Discuss.!
These workers have seen their pay drop by 15% since 2010, and this rise is only 1% in real terms, as inflation is now 2.9%.
If Police and Prison Officers deserve their recently announced pay rise, and they do, without doubt, then NHS Staff do as well
Discuss.!
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"...nothing whatsoever absurd about the comparison at all."
It absolutely is absurd - comparing the two is utterly pointless.
I honestly don't know whether they deserve an inflation busting payrise because I have no idea how much NHS workers earn - but if the perceived wisdom is that they do, then I'm happy with that, but I question how it's going to be paid for. What needs to be cut to be able to afford it?
It absolutely is absurd - comparing the two is utterly pointless.
I honestly don't know whether they deserve an inflation busting payrise because I have no idea how much NHS workers earn - but if the perceived wisdom is that they do, then I'm happy with that, but I question how it's going to be paid for. What needs to be cut to be able to afford it?
//Ed Miliband has come under pressure to admit that he plotted to "weaponise" the NHS as an election issue after it emerged he secretly briefed up to 15 executives at the BBC over his plans, The Telegraph can disclose.
The Labour leader used the phrase during a meeting with some of the corporation's most senior figures in around November of last year and said he intended to make the NHS the centrepiece of his campaign//
Remember this? I am sure that if the Beep Beep See was privatised we would all be willing to have those funds, that are stolen from us, diverted to the NHS.
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The Labour leader used the phrase during a meeting with some of the corporation's most senior figures in around November of last year and said he intended to make the NHS the centrepiece of his campaign//
Remember this? I am sure that if the Beep Beep See was privatised we would all be willing to have those funds, that are stolen from us, diverted to the NHS.
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I agree with Alba at 08.19
Pay rises mean higher prices. Ergo no or minimal benefit.
However I also think everyone deserves to feel valued and pay rises were, in my day at least, a way of showing that value.
The NHS has its budget. Let them decide how much people get paid within that. However services should not be compromised because of it.
Let's get away from nonsense treatment such as I want a boob job to make me feel better or treatment for things that don't have a big impact (don't know what that criteria would be but get away from every treatment for every made up condition).
I have had some good treatment. And I have had some pretty poor treatment and I have been forced to have private treatment when my fellow patients have had the same thing treated on the NHS so I don't hold the NHS in the evangelical way some do.
EVERY working person should feel valued but they should also know that whoever their employer is, there is only a finite amount of money for the business to run.
Pay rises mean higher prices. Ergo no or minimal benefit.
However I also think everyone deserves to feel valued and pay rises were, in my day at least, a way of showing that value.
The NHS has its budget. Let them decide how much people get paid within that. However services should not be compromised because of it.
Let's get away from nonsense treatment such as I want a boob job to make me feel better or treatment for things that don't have a big impact (don't know what that criteria would be but get away from every treatment for every made up condition).
I have had some good treatment. And I have had some pretty poor treatment and I have been forced to have private treatment when my fellow patients have had the same thing treated on the NHS so I don't hold the NHS in the evangelical way some do.
EVERY working person should feel valued but they should also know that whoever their employer is, there is only a finite amount of money for the business to run.
Yeah...lets forget all about it !
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Cut agency fees?
The first Mrs Deskdiary was an ITU Sister, and back in the late 90s she signed on with a nursing agency and one day she would be paid for doing her normal NHS role, and the following day, she could be in the same unit doing the same role with the same staff and patients only this time employed by the agency and earn (I kid you not) 4 times her NHS salary.
I distinctly remember her working overnight on a bank holiday weekend and earning £250 for a single shift. This was probably about 1998(ish).
No idea whether this still happens though.
The first Mrs Deskdiary was an ITU Sister, and back in the late 90s she signed on with a nursing agency and one day she would be paid for doing her normal NHS role, and the following day, she could be in the same unit doing the same role with the same staff and patients only this time employed by the agency and earn (I kid you not) 4 times her NHS salary.
I distinctly remember her working overnight on a bank holiday weekend and earning £250 for a single shift. This was probably about 1998(ish).
No idea whether this still happens though.
Well folks......more nurses and midwives are leaving than new one's joining the NHS and more junior doctors than EVER state their intention to move abroad.
The NHS is a shambles, winter is coming and the Unions are pumping themselves up for confrontation.
I prophesy, this will not go away and is one of the problems of Nationalised medicine......strong Unions.
So what is to be done?
Brexit will also mean, probably, foreign workers in the NHS moving back to their home country.
It will be the usual in UK workforce negotiations........the Unions will go high, knowing that it will be reduced, the Government will hold back, waiting lists will increase, Drs and nurses will be in the streets with their placards, the Unions will do a deal....BINGO and the only people to suffer will be the public.
mikey wil shout for the resignation of Hunt, the Health Secretary as he did with the junior Doctors Strike and here we go again.
The NHS is a shambles, winter is coming and the Unions are pumping themselves up for confrontation.
I prophesy, this will not go away and is one of the problems of Nationalised medicine......strong Unions.
So what is to be done?
Brexit will also mean, probably, foreign workers in the NHS moving back to their home country.
It will be the usual in UK workforce negotiations........the Unions will go high, knowing that it will be reduced, the Government will hold back, waiting lists will increase, Drs and nurses will be in the streets with their placards, the Unions will do a deal....BINGO and the only people to suffer will be the public.
mikey wil shout for the resignation of Hunt, the Health Secretary as he did with the junior Doctors Strike and here we go again.
I wouldn't mind a 3.9% pay rise. I get my incremental rise on 01 October - but that won't amount to a bowl of rice. If it weren't for other sources of income and well-paid overtime, I wouldn't be able to afford many luxuries in life.
Somehow I can't see it happening. Too many obnoxious and clueless managers to pay for.
Somehow I can't see it happening. Too many obnoxious and clueless managers to pay for.
Mikey, your post at 7.55 mentions 8 years of consecutive pay cuts. Don't you know 'we're all in this together.'?
I believe there are some directors of large companies who are struggling to find the wherewithal to pay their household servants, considering giving up their second homes in Tuscany, and small treats, like Glyndebourne, Royal Ascot, and the Henley Regatta, are becoming problematic.
I believe there are some directors of large companies who are struggling to find the wherewithal to pay their household servants, considering giving up their second homes in Tuscany, and small treats, like Glyndebourne, Royal Ascot, and the Henley Regatta, are becoming problematic.
Directors of large companies are directors of large companies because they have done well in life and in the majority of cases deserve what they are being paid.
If the 'large companies' you refer to are private companies or listed companies, their pay is usually approved by a remuneration committee and will take account of company profitability etc...
What they earn is entirely irrelevant when discussing public sector pay. It is the second pointless comparison on this thread.
If the 'large companies' you refer to are private companies or listed companies, their pay is usually approved by a remuneration committee and will take account of company profitability etc...
What they earn is entirely irrelevant when discussing public sector pay. It is the second pointless comparison on this thread.
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