Its Very Simple, Do As The Police Tell You.

[webbo3]

Its very sad but just comply with the police commands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41302571


Dave.

[jim360]

I don't think that not instantly complying with the police should be a capital offence with a summary execution to follow, as a rule.

Since they were holding a knife I don't have a problem with the police treating them as a threat, but it simply cannot be right that the ultimate sanction is deployed so often in the US. Where is the middle ground, where someone can be incapacitated without being killed, and why does it seem to be used so little in the US? Or, at least, used not nearly enough.

[webbo3]

Jim
\\Police encountered Scout Schultz, 21, outside a campus dormitory in Atlanta after a call about "a person with a knife and a gun" late on Saturday.//


the police can't take any risks if someone may have a gun.


Dave.

[Old_Geezer]

The fact he was LGBT hardly seems relevant. Looks like a suicide by cop success. But in any case, it seems an overreaction.

[Peter Pedant]

// the police can't take any risks if someone may have a gun. //

yes but HE knew he didnt have one.....
so he would wonder why had the police drawn their weapons on him ?

[ came up in or with the Gibraltar terroristen
bam bam bamma lamma bam bam !
now dead terroristen - 1988

and the police when they were asked said - oh we thought they were going for their guns - and we were in imminent mortal danger - so we opened fire
[ this of course would mean the police had opened fire completely lawfully - see the stephen waldorf case]
and the counsel for the IRA ( excuse me what did you just write?) asked "they knew they didnt have any - so why were they going for guns they knew they didnt have?"
To which there was a bit of a limp reply " search me gov - but that is what they were doing"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flavius

comment at the time that the Chinese Parliament ( private police debrief to get the story all from the same hymn book ) had gone badly wrong

[davegosling]

Why the hell could they not have used a taser? He'd have been incapacitated instantly, whereupon they could have disarmed him easily, rather than snuffing out his young life as if he were a sewer rat.

In God we trust!

[EDDIE51]

This is a constant problem in a country where anyone is very likely to be carrying a gun. It simply would not happen in the UK.
The Police in the USA must constantly be aware that anyone can be armed with a gun and act accordingly.
I have mentioned the US question site Quora of which I am a member. On that site there are frequent references to how good the UK police are in comparison to the USA. Here getting shot dead by a policeman is a vanishingly small possibility, in the USA such cases are a daily occurrence. Most cases do not even get past the local press into the national news.

[webbo3]

They dont have tasers.

\\Georgia Tech's campus police do not carry Tasers, but are equipped with pepper spray.//

[davegosling]

Didn't spot that, webbo.

Still don't think that gave them the right to murder him, for that's what it was.

[webbo3]

They gave her/him the opportunity to stop and throw down the weapon, as I said the report was that it was a knife and gun.


Dave.

[-Talbot-]

A good old fashioned slap with a night-stick would have done the trick.

[webbo3]

A bullet can travel faster than a night stick talbot.

[-Talbot-]

They didn't need a bullet to stop him. Awfully inadequate policing imo.

[webbo3]

He may have had a gun, refused to comply to the officers commands, perfectly responsible, this isn't the movies where you hit an arm or leg and go and arrest him, if he has a gun hes a threat.


Dave.

[douglas9401]

Locals will at least be spared the days and nights of looting that tend to follow the slaying of young black folk.

[jim360]

The thing about that is that he didn't have a gun, so he wasn't as much of a threat as he's being made out to be. Granted, he might have, but if you shoot someone dead because they might be a threat and they turn out not to be -- and get away with it, time after time after time -- then you have a broken system. The job of the police is to protect its citizens, not kill them.

I don't want to think that if I don't instantly comply perfectly with the police's commands, however unreasonable, then my life will be forfeit.

[-Talbot-]

if he has a gun hes a threat.



Why do you keep going on about a gun?
He never had a gun and even in the video it doesn't look like he had a gun.

[webbo3]

so, if a terrorist has a fake suicide belt but the police don't know this do the police shoot him dead or just wound him, bear in mind he may be able to trigger the device.

you cant take the risk, a threat is a threat be it a bomb or a gun.


Dave.

[webbo3]

\\Police encountered Scout Schultz, 21, outside a campus dormitory in Atlanta after a call about "a person with a knife and a gun" late on Saturday.//

Knife and a gun.

Dave.

[-Talbot-]

If he had a gun or something that looked like a gun I wouldn't have any problem with him being shot but he had a multi-tool penknife. Maybe the American law enforcers are given guns far too soon. I think she panicked (I think the officer was female)

[webbo3]

The gun may have been tucked into his waistband, in his pocket, the risk was there as far as the police were aware.

Dave.