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Will Corbyn's Lies Be Seen Through ?
He gained votes by lying about student fees and has made a U-turn on Brexit, despite being in lifelong opposition to the UE another reason many Labour voters gave him their endorsement. How can anyone trust and continue to vote for him?
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mikey;//He didn't lie about student fees.//
I really despair! his words are now quoted twice on this thread in direct quotation marks, not "sources say..." any journalist who did that could be looking at a 5 figure penalty.
Theresa May was never an active remainer. She warned of the economic peril of leaving the EU (which was how she saw things at the time), what she wanted was for the UK to be more active within the EU but realised there was a fat chance of that, what happened to Cameron highlighted that in no uncertain terms.
Regarding his U-turn, the buck stops with him. People who disagree can, and have been, sacked by him - in large numbers.
As yet, Momentum do not call all the shots in the Labour Party, and may they wither on the vine.
I really despair! his words are now quoted twice on this thread in direct quotation marks, not "sources say..." any journalist who did that could be looking at a 5 figure penalty.
Theresa May was never an active remainer. She warned of the economic peril of leaving the EU (which was how she saw things at the time), what she wanted was for the UK to be more active within the EU but realised there was a fat chance of that, what happened to Cameron highlighted that in no uncertain terms.
Regarding his U-turn, the buck stops with him. People who disagree can, and have been, sacked by him - in large numbers.
As yet, Momentum do not call all the shots in the Labour Party, and may they wither on the vine.
Davemano
The links do quite clearly show what Corbyn was promising if Labour won. He was promising to not scrap the debt, but give the debtors longer to pay it off. It is in all of your links.
The links do NOT say he was promising to write off the debt, so anyone saying that, and offering these links as evidence, are clearly lying.
The links do quite clearly show what Corbyn was promising if Labour won. He was promising to not scrap the debt, but give the debtors longer to pay it off. It is in all of your links.
The links do NOT say he was promising to write off the debt, so anyone saying that, and offering these links as evidence, are clearly lying.
It's rather irrelevant wha happened in the last elections. For future elections students will know the situation and may or may not be bothered to get out of bed to vote.
To be fait to JC he did not make the promises anymore then Boris promised all the money from the EU to the NHS, it is all in the wording. What is amusing is that those whos slate Boris take a different view when JC does the same.
May will NOT be fighting the next election and the Tories will (hoefully) be ready for the magic money tree promises so if you ask me all is up for grabs as yet.
To be fait to JC he did not make the promises anymore then Boris promised all the money from the EU to the NHS, it is all in the wording. What is amusing is that those whos slate Boris take a different view when JC does the same.
May will NOT be fighting the next election and the Tories will (hoefully) be ready for the magic money tree promises so if you ask me all is up for grabs as yet.
Webbo,
Corbyn didn't say it, the newspapers said it.
The Labour Party policy is in the Manifesto which I have linked to above.
Maybe some halfwit shadow numpty got it wrong, but Corbyn didn't.
Which is nothing compared to a Prime Minister and her Foreign Secretary being completely opposed.
Bottom line, it matters nothing if Corbyn or Labour are in a muddle because they are not in power, and not part of the brexit negotiation. The biggest threat to this country, and its survival agter Brexit, is the complete disarray of May, Hammond, Johnson and Davis who are not united, are not competent, and who are a sham.
Corbyn didn't say it, the newspapers said it.
The Labour Party policy is in the Manifesto which I have linked to above.
Maybe some halfwit shadow numpty got it wrong, but Corbyn didn't.
Which is nothing compared to a Prime Minister and her Foreign Secretary being completely opposed.
Bottom line, it matters nothing if Corbyn or Labour are in a muddle because they are not in power, and not part of the brexit negotiation. The biggest threat to this country, and its survival agter Brexit, is the complete disarray of May, Hammond, Johnson and Davis who are not united, are not competent, and who are a sham.
//How can anyone trust and continue to vote for him? //
Put yourself in the position of an average millennial, and remember that they are effectively allowed only two choices.
On average, you're being charged something like 500% more rent than your parents were when they were in their 30s. Also, you're very likely to have entered the workforce (if you have managed to do so at all) since 2008. So, on average, your earnings have been gradually declining. Oh and your job is likely to be far, far less secure.
Also, house prices are at around 8-15 times average earnings (depending on where you are) and increasing (when your parents were your age, it was something in the region of 3-4x at a time when earnings were increasing) while your rent goes up and your earnings go down. So unless you have a wealthy family it's practically impossible for you to save up for a house, or at all (if you eventually do manage to save enough, there's a not-insignificant chance you'll be denied a mortgage because you're too old). If you're poor, the amount of state help you can get is severely limited, because housing benefit is frozen and local authorities have been ruthlessly cut.
Also because the UK has an aging population and skyrocketing pension bill, it is overwhelmingly likely that your taxes are going to substantially increase over the next few decades to pay for the enormous pension bill alone. Also you're very likely to have student debt, but that's on pretty favourable terms, so that is a plus.
Is it really so surprising that you'll support a politician who promises to change all that? Even if you don't believe he can achieve everything he promises?
Remember, we live in a two party system. All Corbyn needs to do to win voters in that situation is be more appealing than the Tories. And Tory voters - who tend to be elderly - are dying off.
Put yourself in the position of an average millennial, and remember that they are effectively allowed only two choices.
On average, you're being charged something like 500% more rent than your parents were when they were in their 30s. Also, you're very likely to have entered the workforce (if you have managed to do so at all) since 2008. So, on average, your earnings have been gradually declining. Oh and your job is likely to be far, far less secure.
Also, house prices are at around 8-15 times average earnings (depending on where you are) and increasing (when your parents were your age, it was something in the region of 3-4x at a time when earnings were increasing) while your rent goes up and your earnings go down. So unless you have a wealthy family it's practically impossible for you to save up for a house, or at all (if you eventually do manage to save enough, there's a not-insignificant chance you'll be denied a mortgage because you're too old). If you're poor, the amount of state help you can get is severely limited, because housing benefit is frozen and local authorities have been ruthlessly cut.
Also because the UK has an aging population and skyrocketing pension bill, it is overwhelmingly likely that your taxes are going to substantially increase over the next few decades to pay for the enormous pension bill alone. Also you're very likely to have student debt, but that's on pretty favourable terms, so that is a plus.
Is it really so surprising that you'll support a politician who promises to change all that? Even if you don't believe he can achieve everything he promises?
Remember, we live in a two party system. All Corbyn needs to do to win voters in that situation is be more appealing than the Tories. And Tory voters - who tend to be elderly - are dying off.
That's true Ludwig, I am simplifying the maths a bit - but it's something which is an open source of concern in the Tory leadership:
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Of course, what this figure ignores is the idea that people who are currently getting older might switch parties.
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Of course, what this figure ignores is the idea that people who are currently getting older might switch parties.
Gromit ; //Corbyn didn't say it, the newspapers said it. ...
Maybe some halfwit shadow numpty got it wrong, but Corbyn didn't.//
These are his actual words spoken to the New Musical Express and quoted by them in quotation marks and read by large numbers of students and young voters.
Which bit of it don't you understand?
"First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through. ...."
Maybe some halfwit shadow numpty got it wrong, but Corbyn didn't.//
These are his actual words spoken to the New Musical Express and quoted by them in quotation marks and read by large numbers of students and young voters.
Which bit of it don't you understand?
"First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through. ...."
Khandro,
I noticed you edited out Corbyn's next sentence...
// Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.” //
He talks about extending the period to pay off the debt. That is not writing it off.
I noticed you edited out Corbyn's next sentence...
// Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.” //
He talks about extending the period to pay off the debt. That is not writing it off.
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