Layba, Mainstream, Apparently!

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41408150
is this going to replace the "red flag" this year: https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/supertramp/dreamer.html

[Mamyalynne]

Thank goodness I read that twice, thought it was meant for the health topic.

[jackthehat]

More importantly, in the TGT Lexicon, has 'Layba' replaced 'Liebor(e)'.....?

[hc4361]

Me, too, Mamya

[ToraToraTora]

I have never used liebor, like it though, I used Laybore

[Mamyalynne]

Layzeee has a chime to it.

[ToraToraTora]

HC/mamy, that's in your heads not mine!

[jackthehat]

Oh well.....of course, that makes all the difference.......

[ToraToraTora]

thanks for the new name though JTT, I can use that!

[jim360]

What hath jth wrought?

[Kromovaracun]

To, erm, draw this onto a serious point for the moment...

People who are bemoaning this need to try and think seriously about why it is that Labour's current leadership is on the rise despite its obvious failures and shortcomings. It is not just a case of "gullibility" - it is a product of the two party system, the way that young people have been comprehensively shafted, and in general the poor state of governance in the UK.

The left (myself included) made a very serious mistake about UKIP - they ignored the concerns of their supporters, dismissed them as racist, patronised them, and ignored them. That tactic came back and bit us hard in the ass. Don't make the same mistake.

[jim360]

Oh, and the big difference between UKIP and Labour is that Labour might actually form a government.

[Kromovaracun]

Well yes. The two situations are obviously far from identical.

[ToraToraTora]

yeah jim and the other main difference is that UKIP have achieved their political aim without ever setting foot in the House.

[mikey4444]

Jim...nearly correct !

Labour WILL form a Government, but UKIP never will.

I thought that today's speech by Corbyn was one of the finest I have ever heard a Labour leader make.

There will be some on here that say that I would say that, wouldn't I ! But its true never the less.

If there was another Election next week, Labour would win.

[ToraToraTora]

"There will be some on here that say that I would say that, wouldn't I ! But its true never the less." - You would say that!

"If there was another Election next week, Labour would win." - click on my second link in the OP.

[jim360]

"If there was another Election next week, Labour would win."

If you say so, Neil.

Labour have a slight lead in the polls but I don't think you can say for sure with confidence. What you *can* say is that Tory supporters really should learn from the arrogance of the left and not spend their time underestimating Corbyn.

[Khandro]

mikey; Not everyone is quite so ecstatic, this from today's Telegraph;

**Jeremy Corbyn has created a safe space for anti-Semitism and misogyny to flourish.
What has happened to the Labour Party? This has been asked by many members at conference in Brighton this week. How does the question: “Holocaust: yes or no?” get asked at a fringe meeting chaired by a party delegate who hours earlier had spoken from the main conference platform? How does a female political journalist have to be protected by a bodyguard because she’s received threats of violence for having the temerity to ask Jeremy Corbyn tough questions? **
continues

[cassa333]

Didn't Jeremy Corbyn start out his leadership saying he wanted a different kind of politics?

Well he has achieved that. Leave if you don't like a policy or two. Anti Semiticism. To name but two "mainstream" ideas.

[Khandro]

I haven't listened to his speech, -I couldn't stand any more of his canting lies, but this I have just also read of an LBC radio caller;

"He accused the politician of being “anti-Semitic” and a “Marxist” during the furious radio rant which followed Mr Corbyn declaring Labour was a “government in waiting”.
The caller said: “I despise the man, I despise his speech that has just been said – bringing Grenfell into it, how deplorable of the man."

Did he really try to score political points out of the Grenfell tragedy ?

How apalling!

[naomi24]

Mikey, if you’re judging Labour on what they say they’re going to do, or on Corbyn’s speech, you’re not listening. You’ve purposefully ignored the couple of threads revealing what they’re truly all about because you blindly support them regardless. No one in his right mind could possibly want what Labour is planning. The financial sector – the real money maker in this country - is already throwing a wobbly at the prospect, and to be perfectly honest, for anyone who really thinks about what Labour is saying, the prospect is chilling. What do you really aspire to? Living in a country that resembles your heroes’ promised Utopian visions? Forget it. Think dystopian. The former East Germany, the former USSR, the former …. cough … ‘socialist’ Yugoslavia …. each and every one, ‘former’. Why do you think that is? That’s how wonderful, and how successful, the naïve and unworkable vision of ‘For the many not the few’ really is. Is that what you really want? Are you sure? Never forget that Stalin too was good at whipping up the masses into a frenzy – and just like Stalin’s adoring fans, Corbyn’s sycophants are nothing more to him than useful idiots who will help him to achieve the power he craves – and to bring this country to its knees. It’s doubtful he would even defend it should the need arise. The man is a disaster waiting to happen. He – and his acolytes – are power hungry throwbacks with dangerously destructive ambitions.