Time For Us To Say Bye Bye I Think.

[cassa333]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41477817

They want bosh and plenty of it.

Why don't we just walk away with our offers intact and let them then decide if they want to trade with us.

[jim360]

Because we don't?

I can only speak for myself but this idea that I hate the UK is pretty nonsensical and frankly rather insulting. I might have different ideas about what's best for it but to disagree with Brexit, to be concerned about its consequences and to express some hope that maybe we can leave the EU without telling it to sod off in a way that sends a clear message to the world that we're perfectly happy to deal with it as long as they do exactly what we say isn't anti-British.

[jno]

why don't you just try answering my questions, TTT?

Do you think Britain is big enough on its own to take on Amazon? If so, why hasn't it doen so?

[Gromit]

We have signed Treaties, and signed up to future commitments which are legally binding. So we must pay them because it is the law. If we ignore the law on this, they might ignore the law in another way by putting huge tariffs on British goods to make them uncompetitive.
In grown up business, extracting the company from contracts takes time, money and patience, but it is worth it in the long run. Getting right now, save a lot of bother later.
Running away is not really the British way of doing things, and even a dysfunctional Government like the one we have got now, will not do anything that reckless.

[cassa333]

Bairner (sic) wants to be EU president so is determined to keep this going as long as he can. Every idiot votes for the famous name they know without knowing if they are good or not simply because they recognise the name. He will get in and then we will truely see the EU for what it is.

The fact is the Remainers see nothing but gloom which is sad and the leavers see all sorts of things. Some good, some very good and some not so good. Isn't that life though?

But for me at the end of this the long term prospects are I think good.

You don't have to be a financial strategist to know that markets go up and down and down can be as beneficial as up under the right circumstances.

You don't have to be some high faluting negotiator to know that if you put a good deal on the table and it is dismissed out of hand the other party isn't going to be happy until you give in completely.

You don't need to run a multi million/billion £ business to know if you have a product/service people want they will buy it.

[kvalidir]

I don't hate the UK, in fact quite the contrary I love it very much, which is why I am so bothered that some people have chosen the regressive step that is Brexit by the slimmest of margins, and which would almost certainly not have happened had the Leave Campaign been conducted truthfully, and certainly wouldn't happen now if there was another referendum. It's such a cop out accusing anyone who doesn't agree with your backward ideas about Europe of being an England hater, really lazy arguing :/

[jim360]

"Every idiot votes for the famous name they know without knowing if they are good or not simply because they recognise the name."

I thought we were talking about the EU here :/

[cassa333]

There might come a point when sod off is the only option left.

[cassa333]

Yes we are talking Bairner or however you spell his name.

But it works just as well for the UK or quite probably every other country that has election.

[dannyk13]

All the Remainers keep harping on about how bad Brexit will be for Britain. The truth is that until we have actually left nobody knows how it will affect us.Personally I think we will be able to trade with the whole world, not just the EU.

[ToraToraTora]

well when ever these issues are discussed you all wheel out your glass is half empty spiel and your thinly veiled insults. I accept you are annoyed at losing the referendum but is that really any excuse to continually talk the country down and hope for things to go wrong, simply so you can momentarily prop up your ego with an "told you so"? Jno yes I'll answer your question , amazon like all the rest are easily dealt with but we choose not to use na na nana na left wing idiocy so we can lose thousands of jobs and say , "yeah that show the capitalist ***" - in the end big business will win not because it's bigger but because it can offer what politician want, donations to their parties in exchange for baubles. All politicians court business and the EU is no different. Wake up and make it work.

[jim360]

We can trade with the whole world now, though... :/

(OK, fine, official trade deals are between, say, Japan and the EU, rather than Japan and the UK, but it's a bit of a weird thing to say.)

[ToraToraTora]

kvalidir: "....and which would almost certainly not have happened had the Leave Campaign been conducted truthfully, and certainly wouldn't happen now if there was another referendum." - err what was dishonest and how do you know what the result of a rerun would be?

[dannyk13]

Jim, what I am saying is that we will not have to rely on the EU for trade deals.

[ToraToraTora]

danny: "All the Remainers keep harping on about how bad Brexit will be for Britain. The truth is that until we have actually left nobody knows how it will affect us." - they will never accept anything other than their prophecy, they are like the moon hoax loonies, no matter how overwhelming the evidence becomes they'll still believe their preferred BS.

[jno]

TTT, all they have to do with Amazon is close tax loopholes, whether by taxing them on sales made in this country or whatever. Why don't they just do it?

I repeat - the EU isn't scared of taking on the megacorporations, and it's done so. Britain hasn't. This is in fact a major reason I supported Remain: I believe Britain is putting itself at the mercy of institutions that are bigger than it is in the modern world. Call that "hating Britain" if you want; to me it's just collecting tax that's due.

[sunny-dave]

kvalidir :

"Brexit ... certainly wouldn't happen now if there was another referendum"

That is highly debatable - and probably wrong. The most recent polls show about 48% leave and 47% stay - with 5% undecided.

Many people are so cowed by the prevailing media spin of "Brexit is a disaster" that they will say one thing in public but then vote the other way in the privacy of the polling booth (much like happened in 2016).

I'd suggest that a similar result to 2016 is pretty much a racing certainty.

[jim360]

"Wake up and make it work."

I hadn't realised that nominations to be part of the Brexit negotiating team were open to the wider public.

On a more serious note, it's also important to note that part of "making something work" is in being aware of how it might go wrong, and at any rate it's obvious that we have different ideas of how to "make it work". For me, I accept that my idea is probably a little too close to "make it work by not doing it in the first place", but there you go. It's a logical and consistent extension of how I voted and why I voted that way.

[jno]

what was dishonest

"we won't be able to stop Turkey joining the EU".

[KARL]

Quite a few Jews are inclined to brand as anti-semites those who criticise Israel's conduct toward occupied territories and/or disagree with the argument based on positions of victimhood. The notion that Britain will be pursued for her lovely body and that disagreeing with it is anti-British is analogous. The reality is that it is the norm to want to co-exist on an amicable basis but people get tired of primadonnas and will stop trying to accommodate them - in the end they are ignored and avoided, only embarrassment remains.

Personally, I would welcome the UK beggaring off into the sunset because only then will this tiresome discussion of the UK's superiority, etc. end and reality dawn. Then we can all discard the emperor's new clothes and start afresh.

[ToraToraTora]

why? socialist tax regimes destroy jobs and stifle ambition, we should abolish corporation tax completely. Personally I'd turn the UK into a large Monaco. No direct tax at all. then watch the EU turn into a Ghost continent of social utopia, you'd loive itjno, it'd be like the USSR, just add an E to the front.