Body & Soul1 min ago
La Vegas Shooter Radicalized?
'Las Vegas authorities now acknowledge mass murderer Stephen Paddock may have been “radicalized” before his bloody rampage Sunday at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival but they won’t say what species of radicalism the shooter may have embraced.'
So said the sheriff but wouldn't elaborate.
So said the sheriff but wouldn't elaborate.
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Khandro
No, sorry - but the Manchester and Paris attacks don’t add weight to this being an Islamic attack.
You would need to weigh those against the history of mass shootings in the U.S.
There are...lots and lots and lots and lots.
Regarding this point:
//We can’t count on the pathologically incurious, politically correct mainstream media to bother asking them.//
Actually, we can. That’s because amongst professional news agencies and media outlets there are plenty that have a right wing non-PC narrative.
I’ve had a look around FrontPageNews. It presents news items written to appeal to those who want the world confirmed to their political views. It is not balanced. It is basically the alt-right version of the Morning Star.
No, sorry - but the Manchester and Paris attacks don’t add weight to this being an Islamic attack.
You would need to weigh those against the history of mass shootings in the U.S.
There are...lots and lots and lots and lots.
Regarding this point:
//We can’t count on the pathologically incurious, politically correct mainstream media to bother asking them.//
Actually, we can. That’s because amongst professional news agencies and media outlets there are plenty that have a right wing non-PC narrative.
I’ve had a look around FrontPageNews. It presents news items written to appeal to those who want the world confirmed to their political views. It is not balanced. It is basically the alt-right version of the Morning Star.
That doesn't seem to leave any room for the middle ground of "a reasonable assessment of the evidence available to date suggests that perhaps this man was not radicalised by Muslims" though. Granted there isn't much evidence available yet, and I am sure that as more comes available people's views will change accordingly -- but still, there is a difference between speculating, which is mere guesswork, and offering a position based on available information.
Historically the US has always had a problem with guns -- it's not something that's somehow modern, or uniquely associated with ISIS-inspired terrorism. To assume that it must be that, and then to offer the rather bogus reason for this as "ISIS says so", is... well, intellectually lazy, I suppose.
Historically the US has always had a problem with guns -- it's not something that's somehow modern, or uniquely associated with ISIS-inspired terrorism. To assume that it must be that, and then to offer the rather bogus reason for this as "ISIS says so", is... well, intellectually lazy, I suppose.
// We can’t count on the pathologically incurious, politically correct mainstream media to bother asking them. //
The mainstream media can only report on what is and isn't known. The authorities have NOT confirmed ISIS claims, and that is all they can accurately report. Anything else is pointless. No mainstream media have said this is DEFINITELY NOT ISIS because it is still a remote possibility. Likewise responsible media outlets are not reporting it MAY be a ISIS terrorist attack either. Only the alt right fake news sites are peddling thatwith no proof.
The mainstream media can only report on what is and isn't known. The authorities have NOT confirmed ISIS claims, and that is all they can accurately report. Anything else is pointless. No mainstream media have said this is DEFINITELY NOT ISIS because it is still a remote possibility. Likewise responsible media outlets are not reporting it MAY be a ISIS terrorist attack either. Only the alt right fake news sites are peddling thatwith no proof.
naomi24
No, speculation is not pointless. This is a discussion based on what we know and what common sense tells us.
Common sense tells me that I cannot trust ISIS in their claim that this is down to one of their ‘soldiers’.
Common sense tells me that this case is different to every other terrorist attack in recent memory in that even after four days the police and FBI can’t find any links to Paddock and any extremist Islamic group.
What we are discussing here is the likelihood. It’s a valid discussion.
No, speculation is not pointless. This is a discussion based on what we know and what common sense tells us.
Common sense tells me that I cannot trust ISIS in their claim that this is down to one of their ‘soldiers’.
Common sense tells me that this case is different to every other terrorist attack in recent memory in that even after four days the police and FBI can’t find any links to Paddock and any extremist Islamic group.
What we are discussing here is the likelihood. It’s a valid discussion.
I don't think anyone can be certain one way or another, but there are signs that point more towards it *not* being ISIS-inspired, no?
I mean, at this point I would be surprised if it turned out that Paddock had been radicalised, but not totally shocked, if that makes sense. Between the two certainties there is more than just speculation. I wouldn't want to place a figure on it, but at this point it doesn't seem to me that the question is equivalent to a coin toss, at least.
I mean, at this point I would be surprised if it turned out that Paddock had been radicalised, but not totally shocked, if that makes sense. Between the two certainties there is more than just speculation. I wouldn't want to place a figure on it, but at this point it doesn't seem to me that the question is equivalent to a coin toss, at least.
naomi24
Yes we will. We will learn what is the opinion of others. We may not get a definitive answer as to what Paddock’s motives were, but it shouldn’t stop us from discussing it.
This is why Marilyn’s death is still discussed.
This is why there is still discussion about the shooting of JFK.
We have a natural curiosity about news stories and like to hear the opinions of others.
Yes we will. We will learn what is the opinion of others. We may not get a definitive answer as to what Paddock’s motives were, but it shouldn’t stop us from discussing it.
This is why Marilyn’s death is still discussed.
This is why there is still discussion about the shooting of JFK.
We have a natural curiosity about news stories and like to hear the opinions of others.
If there was an Islamic terrorist element to this, I think we would have been told by now.
Trump and his right wing administration would pounce on it with glee, and the rhetoric coming out of the Whitehouse would be cranked up.
The fact that that is not happening, looks like there is no ISIS involvement.
Trump and his right wing administration would pounce on it with glee, and the rhetoric coming out of the Whitehouse would be cranked up.
The fact that that is not happening, looks like there is no ISIS involvement.
naomi24
The common sense bit is when you look at this attack and compare it to every other attack over the past five years.
Sure it’s possible that Paddock was radicalised, but it’s highly improbable based on his age, background, lack of political and religious affiliations, and the fact that after four days the FBI and local police can offer no evidence that he’d been radicalised. It’s EXTREMELY unlikely that someone could hide this with our online lives right now.
Of course, if it IS proved that he was indeed a jahidist*. I will happily eat my words.
(*it won’t)
The common sense bit is when you look at this attack and compare it to every other attack over the past five years.
Sure it’s possible that Paddock was radicalised, but it’s highly improbable based on his age, background, lack of political and religious affiliations, and the fact that after four days the FBI and local police can offer no evidence that he’d been radicalised. It’s EXTREMELY unlikely that someone could hide this with our online lives right now.
Of course, if it IS proved that he was indeed a jahidist*. I will happily eat my words.
(*it won’t)
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