Thank You, Sir Geoffrey Vos

[choux]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41609522

[ludwig]

It's a box of ashes. Someone should just tip them down the nearest drain.

[New Judge]

That's unfair to any rats that might be living in them.

[marval]

Flush them down the loo.

[douglas9401]

Empty into a sandwich bag or similar and drop in the grey bin on the morning of collection.
Gone and forgotten in a day.

[andy-hughes]

It's cheering to note that, given the propensity for too many people of legal persuasion to spend far too long reaching absolutely the wrong conclusion, on this occasion, the right conclusion has been reached - the disposal of Brady's ashes has been taken away from his solicitor who has clearly not behaved appropriately.

It remains a mystery what will happen next - let's hope they don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by getting it wrong on the home straight.

[zebo]

I know it's probably a daft question but who has been paying this solicitor for the past fifty years? I really don't see why a person like Brady is even given any say in what happens to his body, much less in what music is played, was he expecting a state funeral?

[youngmafbog]

//who has been paying this solicitor for the past fifty years? //

Now let me guess; the usual hard working tax payer who usually funds the bottom pond dwelling leeches known as solicitors?

[sapelesam]

His solicitor was Rex Makin, a legend in his own head. The man would defend Hitler for a line in the Liverpool Echo. Believed departed as well. Having a nice game of Cluedo with Brady.

[andy-hughes]

zebo - // I know it's probably a daft question but who has been paying this solicitor for the past fifty years? //

As a prisoner, he will have been entitled to Legal Aid.

Yes, I know that sticks in the craw of many, but the price we pay for a balanced free society is that everyone is entitled to the best defence available under the circumstances, without that, we have a police state.

// I really don't see why a person like Brady is even given any say in what happens to his body, much less in what music is played, was he expecting a state funeral? //

He wasn't 'entitled' to anything, except to express his wishes, which he did, and we can all do. Remember that Brady was supremely narcissistic, and in his own insane mind, he probably thought himself worthy of plenty of attention.

By no means does that mean that his wishes will be carried out - as indeed they are not, but expressing them was his right, and he exercised them.

[youngmafbog]

//Yes, I know that sticks in the craw of many, but the price we pay for a balanced free society is that everyone is entitled to the best defence available under the circumstances, without that, we have a police state. //

I disagree. There should be limits to it, otherwise we end up with uscrupulous lawyers as we have today.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - // I disagree. There should be limits to it, otherwise we end up with uscrupulous lawyers as we have today. //

What limits do you suggest?

Would you have like limits to the prosecution that convicted Brady? If not, and I am sure you would not, then the system has to be the best on both sides, or it is not effective.

[youngmafbog]

AH, to be honest I am not sure.

All I know is things at the moment seem too skewed to the criminal. Just needs some redress to get the balance back.

[New Judge]

"What limits do you suggest?"

There are limits to Legal Aid. The most restrictive limits seem to be applicable to unconvicted people who are just well off enough to prevent them queuing up in the soup kitchen. Brady didn't need a solicitor. He was properly confined to a secure mental hospital until his death.

[albaqwerty]

just sling the scuzz-bucket's ashes down the loo.

[trt]

Didn't they years ago, used to bury murderers in a grave, in the grounds of the prison?

[andy-hughes]

YMB - //AH, to be honest I am not sure.

All I know is things at the moment seem too skewed to the criminal. Just needs some redress to get the balance back. //

I do appreciate your perception, and where it comes from.

But I have to live with my unease and trust the legal systems to get it right on our behalf, because that is the system we have.