Britain And The Eu Agree ‘Divorce’ Bill

[sp1814]

Good news?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/28/exclusive-britain-eu-agree-brexit-divorce-bill/

At least we’re definitely moving forward.

Sorry it’s the Telegraph (paywall). It’s their exclusive at the moment.

[Togo]

There would be no border or controls for British passport holders, whether on mainland Britain or NI ports and airports. Just for non British travellers. Separate channels for British passport holders, French style processing for all other. You know, lengthy delays, off hand documentation, unnecessary officialdom and all that malarkey.
You liked the faux typo then. In fairness you are the first to spot it although I have used it before. :))

[Old_Geezer]

It's a frictionless border now, and there's no reason not to remain one after Brexit. One may have a frictionless border between any adjacent countries who agree to one. All that is required in this case is for the EU not to be so adamant that there must be a hard border around the EU. They already have soft borders elsewhere, precedents have already been made, so there's no excuse. The intransigence has to be for ulterior motives.

Britain does indeed want to set up its own customs and immigrations regime which differs from the EU, and a soft border can be part of that regime. Full scale border checks won't be needed, merely sufficient monitoring to ensure that the border isn't being abused. It is in the interest of both countries involved to ensure that doesn't happen.

Unfortunately Southern Ireland seem intent on complying with EU demands and because that ensures they are somewhat impotent, they opt to cause issues with the threat of a veto on trade talks. Presumably knowing it raises the chance of causing a "hard" Brexit and a polarisation on positions; basically ensuring a "hard" border. Clearly they either haven't thought things through, or are hoping that threatening trade talks will change minds.

The mind they have to change is the EU's, so their ire would be better directed there. Mind you, we seem to have such a weak negotiating team, who knows, they may get a UK capitulation yet.

[Old_Geezer]

IMO no sane individual would give house room to the idea of internal borders. The UK is a nation, it doesn't perform checks on internal movement, as other nations don't either. It's a ridiculous suggestion supported by those who want a united Ireland and Northern Ireland out of the UK. It's a non-starter as everyone knows.

[Khandro]

OG "Hard/Soft, frictionless" I don't know what this means, as I said at 9:50am there has to be some form of border, it simply cannot remain as it is.
I was a passenger from Germany into Switzerland recently in a full bus of about 50 people, two police officers came on board, many passports were collected and taken in to the control office - not mine- checked and then returned and re-distributed, we were detained for about 30 minutes.

[ichkeria]

Given we're saving £350 million a week to save the NHS, we'll have recouped the 50 billion in less than three years!!

[gulliver1]

Yes but £350 million was only Boris, talking his usual rubbish.

[dannyk13]

Fact, £350 million is what we paying to the EU.

[ichkeria]

Problem solved then ;-)