Would This Be A Hate Crime As This Young Woman Has Suggested

[emmie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42242272

[woofgang]

Sounds like a stupidity crime. Her face wasn't covered just her hair....so if the Queen walked in there after riding, she'd be asked to take her scarf off? Having said that I can see why the girl felt that it was born of race/religion prejudice.

[sapelesam]

Not a hate crime, ignorance of the first degree.

[emmie]

whats the best their is some legal action

[emmie]

there sorry... typo

[ToraToraTora]

no, more like a bit of jobsworthery, her boat wasn't covered was it?

[emmie]

no just the hair..

[douglas9401]

"But if you're going to use a separate company you need to be aware of what kind of policies they have, especially in a city like London."

Some might say their policy is inclusive, unless the admittedly zealous security operative is blacked up.

Smiley face.

[Prudie]

He was wrong without doubt but it was neither hate nor crime.

[andy-hughes]

woofgang // ... so if the Queen walked in there after riding, she'd be asked to take her scarf off? //

I have to take issue on two counts here - one is the serious use of the 'So' rule,

and the second is the grievous misuse of terminology regarding the Queen, and removing of said accessory - her majesty would not have to take her scarf off, she would however, have to take it 'orff'.

Happy to assist.

[andy-hughes]

I would agree with other posters, this is an act of ignorance and stupidity rather than hatred, racial or otherwise.

[woofgang]

Andy that's a clump round the ear I owe you :)

[kvalidir]

I think to determine if it is a 'hate crime' or not , you first need to determine WHY the security guard asked her to take it off. It was not covering her face. Many people wear bobble hats, beanie hats, deerstalkers, snoods, scarves etc etc, and without knowing for certain if he asked all of them to remove them as well, you can't really second guess his motives except you can actually, because i'm reasonably sure that if he'd asked a white girl to take off her bobble hat she bought from Primark because he felt she was a security threat, we'd have heard about it previous to this. So, that leaves us to ponder why he asked this young girl, to remove her obviously religious garment because he felt it was a 'security threat'. I don't know her colour, so I am left to assume it was because she is obviously Muslim, that this person is so terrified of a young girl in hijab that he thinks she might be a threat to other restaurant users. It doesn't matter why he discriminates, just that he does, whether this is out of ignorance, fear or both. Does that make it a hate crime? I'm afraid I think it might.

[Mamyalynne]

No.

[mikey4444]

No, of course its not a "hate crime"....if this really happened, then its a huge mistake on McDonald's part.

By the way, I use a McD once or twice a month, and have yet to go into one that has, or needs, a Security Guard !

[-Talbot-]

Could be anything.
Probably a jobsworth letting a bit of power go to his head.

Why have you introduced colour, Kvalidir?

[ToraToraTora]

I'm disturbed you eat that muck mikey!

[mikey4444]

TTT ....those breakfast sausage and egg McMuffins are very addictive......And those small bottles of orange juice are very tasty indeed !

Handsome is a handsome does as far as I am concerned.

[kvalidir]

I said I don't know what colour the girl is, the security guard is apparently male and black. I think colour, sex and religion is relevant if we are discussing the possibilities of something being a hate crime, otherwise it' can't be fully discussed sensibly.

[-Talbot-]

Well a Muslim woman can come in any colour from white to black and anything in between.

I'm not sure why you think her colour is important.

[kvalidir]

I don't necessarily think her colour is important, but given that the security guard is male and black, he might discriminate against anyone not in his own sexual, religious or ethnic group, and the more information one has when considering 'Is this a hate crime?' the better versed one would be in coming to a sensible conclusion, or would you prefer to not have all the facts when jumping to yours?