Daniel Shaver: Police Officer Not Guilty Of Murder

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42277309

Its quite clear that the Officer had no need to kill this man, so how can he have been found not guilty ?

Is it any wonder that the American Police are losing their credibility ?

[mikey4444]

Baldric....21:07....yes you are right....kill the other man, quickly, just in case he is armed......that would be the way to proceed, knowing full well that the judicial system would support to the bloody end.

[nailit]

I'm just glad that OUR police arnt routinely armed with guns. I would have lost my life 10 times over.

[Baldric]

You are a very bigoted man Mikey, the reason the Guy was shot is clearly stated in the link you provided

I have been to the States a number times and have enough common sense to know that if an Officer has a weapon pointed at me I do what he says.

[beso]

Are US police ever found guilty under any circumstances?

Whatever you do, never get involved with police in any way if you are in the US. Don't even report a crime if you see or hear something, Just walk away and ignore it because you are more likely to be killed by the police while reporting it than for them to investigate the crime.

The officer involved in this one will probably walk fee.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4796325/australian-was-in-pyjamas-when-police-shot-her-dead/?cs=5

[andy-hughes]

Mikey - I cannot agree with you that it is 'quite clear that the officer had no need to kill this man' -

From what we can see of the film, it appears that the man may have appeared to be reaching for a weapon, and the officer, believing his life was in danger, fired.

Evidence shows this was not the case, but hindsight is a wonderful thing, and the officer has nano-seconds to make a decision.

I do understand that the man's death is a tragedy, but I can also understand how it happened, and why the court has backed the officer.

[EDDIE51]

Answers on the US site Quora indicate that it is NOT a good idea to approach a US police officer to ask directions. It is the normal thing to do here, but in the US it is likely to get you shot dead as they think you are about to attack them

[andy-hughes]

Eddie - // Answers on the US site Quora indicate that it is NOT a good idea to approach a US police officer to ask directions. It is the normal thing to do here, but in the US it is likely to get you shot dead as they think you are about to attack them //

I think that's just internet mischief.


I have been to the US a number of times, and to Canada half a dozen times, and I have asked for directions from various police officers both on foot, and when sitting in patrol cars. To a man and woman, they have been unfailingly polite and helpful.

The police are as human as the rest of us, approach them with courtesy, and it is usually returned.

[EDDIE51]

Read some of these and then decide if you want to visit the USA.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-shoot-to-kill-so-frequent-in-the-US-police-force-Are-police-officers-in-the-US-punished-appropriately-if-they-wrongfully-shoot-and-kill-a-person-without-sufficient-reasoning-especially-an-unarmed-victim

[vetuste_ennemi]

/But even if you have, I would urge you to be wary of ever driving a car, entering or leaving a shop or restaurant, or doing anything else completely ordinary or normal..... just in case there is a Policeman nearby, that hasn't had an exciting enough day.//

"Black Lives Matter" talk that, isn't it? BLM's rhetoric - a[i i.e. [i]any] policeman ("tarring all with the same brush"as the same the poster would describe such ignorant generalisations in other contexts) - has already incited the murder of US cops.

It isn't just the BLM badge he's proud of, however - previous Mikey endorsements have included the organisation "Unite against Fascism" - a group which espouses violent protest and whose agenda has included the protection of rapists.

[beso]

What was the justification for making the guy crawl towards the armed cop?

[vetuste_ennemi]

As for the Beso post - well, no-one this side of the pond has heard of that incident, have they Beso?

Systemic racism doesn't quite fit the bill in this incident, does it? And constructing a case against "affirmative action" or "inclusion and integration policies" isn't a cause which will set many US "liberal" pulses racing.

[naomi24]

Eddie, //Answers on the US site Quora indicate that it is NOT a good idea to approach a US police officer to ask directions.//

I've done it - with no ill effects. As you know I don't believe everything I read on the internet - and neither should you.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Aren't "hate speech" laws designed to criminalise and to prosecute these stereotypes?

[naomi24]

Depends upon who is being stereotyped.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Are you suggesting evil (therefore "crime") is in the eye of the beholder, Naomi?


Who would have thought that the law of the land would depend totally on subjective judgment.

Let's hope the people who judge are fair-minded, then.

[naomi24]

Indeed. Who'd a thunk it? We can hope.

[Deskdiary]

"Is it any winder the American police are losing their credibility"

No they are not.

[mikey4444]

Thank goodness that our own Police don't carry guns on routine basis.......I seem to recall that John Charles Menezes was killed by a Policeman, another completely innocent man.

And, just like in America, nobody was found guilty of his killing either.

[Zacs-Master]

Mikey, have a read of this link from 11 years ago. I can do no better in explaining why a police officer wasn’t charged than the first couple of answers:
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question262044.html

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry, first answer.