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What Lessons Can We Learn From New York’S Amazing Reduction In Crime Levels?
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No no no, Danny, doing more with less is the modern way, that's why we're so successful in the UK.
Fewer police on the beat but more experts in the deployment of those that remain, that's the answer.
Well, at least until some politician gets their front door kicked in when they're out schmoozing their contributors anyway.
Fewer police on the beat but more experts in the deployment of those that remain, that's the answer.
Well, at least until some politician gets their front door kicked in when they're out schmoozing their contributors anyway.
‘Whatever the reason for New York’s crime reductions, the statistics do not capture the complete picture of public safety. Some crimes are not represented fully or at all: acts of domestic violence, sexual assaults, identity thefts, hate crimes, and shootings that don’t result in injuries or damage’
-Talbot-
My impression of New York (first visit about 25 years ago, last visit in 2016) is that the place is much safer. It's difficult to describe unless you know the place, but it's not as run down, and there are more people out at night. It's like the whole place has been gentrified. Obviously not all the borough - I've no idea what Queens and the Bronx are like; but the hangouts I've been to, and the areas I've visited are a world away from what they were.
The only comparison I can make is how Soho in London has been transformed since the 70s.
My impression of New York (first visit about 25 years ago, last visit in 2016) is that the place is much safer. It's difficult to describe unless you know the place, but it's not as run down, and there are more people out at night. It's like the whole place has been gentrified. Obviously not all the borough - I've no idea what Queens and the Bronx are like; but the hangouts I've been to, and the areas I've visited are a world away from what they were.
The only comparison I can make is how Soho in London has been transformed since the 70s.
Spicerack
From the article (first paragraph):
[i]There were 2,245 killings in New York City, but as of Wednesday there have been just 286 in the city this year — the lowest since reliable records have been kept[i]
It's virtually impossible to massage the figures for killings...because of the dead bodies that are product of said crime.
From the article (first paragraph):
[i]There were 2,245 killings in New York City, but as of Wednesday there have been just 286 in the city this year — the lowest since reliable records have been kept[i]
It's virtually impossible to massage the figures for killings...because of the dead bodies that are product of said crime.
I can't see any mention of any increased Police numbers in the link, but to me its obvious......as Danny says, easy, put more bobbies on the streets.
But when I have said this in the past here on AB, I am told that the huge reduction of Police made since 2010 isn't important.
That is clearly counter-intuitive.
But when I have said this in the past here on AB, I am told that the huge reduction of Police made since 2010 isn't important.
That is clearly counter-intuitive.
Contrast with the UK.
Police numbers cut by 20,000 since 2010 which has resulted in:
// The rise in crime is accelerating, with the latest figures showing a 13% increase in all police-recorded offences across England and Wales, and even greater rises for violent offences including knife crime, sexual offences and violence against the person.
The crime figures show an underlying 8% rise in the murder rate, an increase of 46 victims, with 629 homicides recorded in the 12 months to June.
The acceleration from a 5% rise in the 12 months to June 2015, to 7% the following year, and 13% in the 12 months to June this year, together with even larger increases in violent crime, will sound alarm bells in Downing Street. //
The lesson surely is that adequate police numbers, and their visibility on the streets, deters crime or stops it escalating. The Americans have done that, we have done the opposite, with the result that our crime is rocketing, and the US crime is decreasing.
Police numbers cut by 20,000 since 2010 which has resulted in:
// The rise in crime is accelerating, with the latest figures showing a 13% increase in all police-recorded offences across England and Wales, and even greater rises for violent offences including knife crime, sexual offences and violence against the person.
The crime figures show an underlying 8% rise in the murder rate, an increase of 46 victims, with 629 homicides recorded in the 12 months to June.
The acceleration from a 5% rise in the 12 months to June 2015, to 7% the following year, and 13% in the 12 months to June this year, together with even larger increases in violent crime, will sound alarm bells in Downing Street. //
The lesson surely is that adequate police numbers, and their visibility on the streets, deters crime or stops it escalating. The Americans have done that, we have done the opposite, with the result that our crime is rocketing, and the US crime is decreasing.
there was a chapter in Freakonomics on this (fascinating book). It suggested the real reason was nothing to do with policing, it dated from the liberalising of abortion laws in New York. All of a sudden, fewer people were being born into poverty or broken homes or other breeding grounds for crime.
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