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Is This Mother Of A Deaf Child Going Beyond The Bounds Of Common Sense In Her Demands?

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dave50 | 07:52 Wed 24th Jan 2018 | News
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42776454
Is she just pushing an agenda? I think she is being unreasonable and trying to make a point.
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Mamya.....NJ's posts are evidence of the ignorance and lack of understanding we hoped were behind us. It’s neither but thanks for mentioning it. My train of thought takes this into account: “Under the Equality Act 2010, any organisation supplying a service to the public is under a duty to make reasonable adjustments to ensure that a disabled person's...
15:56 Wed 24th Jan 2018

I stand by my Post of 17:18
And really you don't need a big brain to think......well if deaf folk want an interpreter it could because it makes the performance better for him/her.......

But it seems the hearing on this thread know better.... ;-)

I notice nobody has responded to my earlier comments about it being better to learn the lyrics.

Am I right or am I wrong on this?


Asking for interpreters for lesser known acts will make life more difficult for them and I'm sure many promoters will reduce the number of support acts ... if they actually bother with having one at all.


But the Appeasers will be happy, maybe.
Why not just provide printed copies of the lyrics? A damned sight cheaper and much more use.
No.....learning the lyrics doesn't help.......how do you know you're in exactly the right place in the song without an interpreter? That's been explained in links....

Talbot....I think you have children....would you not want them to have the best experience they possibly could if they were at a gig with hearing friends?
So all people with disabilities should be provided with the cheapest option, Jackdaw?
Talbot’s idea is a good one. I can’t imagine how interpreters could interpret some of the lyrics – even if they could understand them!
They can and do, Naomi.....it shows you how in the video and there is information about it if you research performing interpreters....
I watched the video.
So you saw the two signers then.....the one signing the words which the signer will know by heart for the concert.....and the signer performing them as the band rehearsed?
gness
No.....learning the lyrics doesn't help.......how do you know you're in exactly the right place in the song without an interpreter?


As has been said there are different levels of hearing. Many would surely no.
Your insistence that interpreters should be across the board would (if it was implemented) send many budding artists back to the daily grind of 9 till 5.
surely know* ^
gness, not everyone agrees with you - even some who do have big brains. It happens.
“LOL...well my knowledge of the Law is Nil, but my impression is that LittleMix entered into a legally binding agreement with the mother to produce a signer for the concert.
This they failed to do for the whole of the concert ( if that was the "deal") and hence the mother feels that she needs some "Recompense"

That's it really.”

But that isn’t why she’s taking the matter to court, sqad. As I understand it, she’s doing so not for breach of contract but under the Equalities Act. She is alleging that the promoters breached that law.

“Is that from your experiences attending shows and concerts with deaf people? (Though you didn't answer when I asked you this before)”

Sorry I ignored you. I have no experience of attending pop concerts with deaf people. It may make a difference and some promoters have taken that on board by providing signers. But that does not make it an obligation under the Equalities Act.

There are elements among disability rights campaigners who seem to misinterpret the law. The law says that “…any organisation supplying a service to the public is under a duty to make reasonable adjustments to ensure that a disabled person's experience is as close as possible to that of someone without a disability”. It does not say they must make any adjustments that anybody else sees fit. Providing signers as a matter of course is not (again in my view) a reasonable adjustment. Providing them whenever somebody asks is similarly not reasonable. Further than that, providing them on the basis that it will make the experience “…as close as possible to that of someone without a disability” is highly subjective. But as I said, the matter needs testing in court and I hope it is.
What an appalling woman. I’m lost for words, her attitude beggars belief. I trust she will pay her own legal fees. What a farce.
It has been a futile exercise of everybody who has questioned this because in previous thread gness has said that he or she is correct - and by dint of her being 'right' everybody else who disagrees is wrong.

So that's that then.

Arrogance doesn't even come close.
Previous post, not thread.
Well I am deaf (nerve deafness) and so I have been lipreading from when I was about two (just came naturally).

I never needed to learn sign language but wholly depended on lipreading. If I was totally in the dark I would have put my fingers to the talker's mouth and "felt" the words.

To Talbot - yes from an early age I would have asked my "singing" brothers to let me have a loan of their singing sheets and then I would have written them in my little "red" book. And over the years I have memorised many songs via the internet.

However, because of this "great" knowledge of songs I never could convince my future friends that I was as deaf as I was/am.

Am now 90%/10% hearing/loss.

So in effect interpreters don't do it for me but boy do I love my subtitles.

Deafness comes in many stages/levels.

Well done to you Gness for fighting so hard on behalf of the deaf. x

Hear, hear!

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