Finally Germany Starts To Fight Back

[Khandro]

Robinson exposes the media for what they are and suggests they have blood on their hands, because of their left biased reporting. These people protesting aren't knuckle-dragging skinheads as you can see in the video, they are simply ordinary Germans who have had enough.
The tide is turning; also this morning, Horst Seehofer of the Bavarian CSU gave a blistering speech attacking the head-in-the-sand government and Merkel's leadership in Berlin.
We've had the Arab Spring, will this be the German Summer?

[Kromovaracun]

All I'm saying is that the idea that the Western media is all in the grip of some giant liberal conspiracy is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. A reporter on the ground saying something misleading about an altercation is not proof of anything, because there are too many other explanations for it that are more plausible.

As for Tommy Robinson - I'm not sure that turning up at a protest and just verbatim repeating everything the protesters say really counts as 'journalism'. You or I could do that with a phone camera. It's also not really surprising that he sticks to this conspiratorial line because it is one that directly benefits him.

[ichkeria]

I’m suspicious of that video because it’s plainly some sort of mash-up. Just as the BBC voiceover gets to the key bit the footage stops and we have a still. Then we have what is plainly sky news footage of the same incident. We can’t even be sure that the audio matches the video. In short, it’s not a conclusive piece of evidence of anything and looks suspiciously like the work of a Hungarian nationalist; a view reinforced slightly by the comments underneath by subscribers or supporters. I’m perfectly prepared to be proved wrong if someone can come up with the original report. Bit of it is so plainly false how come no one complained at the time? Surely it would have been obvious to viewers of BBC, Sky or whoever?

[naomi24]

Krom, // A reporter on the ground saying something misleading about an altercation is not proof of anything//

That video is proof that the reporter is misreporting.

//I'm not sure that turning up at a protest and just verbatim repeating everything the protesters say really counts as 'journalism'.//

If Tommy Robinson is reporting what protestors are saying he’s certainly reporting far more accurately than the reporter in that video. You can’t knock him for that. Well .... you can .... but doing so to benefit your own agenda would be disingenuous.

[ichkeria]

The only way to prove a report is false is to have a proper investigation with verified eye witness accounts. Looking at someone’s cobbled together YouTube video is no sort of evidence. The term ‘useful idiots’ is most apt I think :-)

[-Talbot-]

[naomi24]

ichkeria, that video clearly shows the man in the shorts pushing the woman on to the track.

[-Talbot-]

[naomi24]

Shameful reporting.

[ichkeria]

It seems like a perfectly reasonable report to me, moreover pointing out how the refugee strategy had broken down and sympathising with the difficulties Hungary had in dealing with that. And the human cost resulting.

[naomi24]

ichkeria, // It seems like a perfectly reasonable report to me//

You know as well as anyone watching that video that the report is inaccurate. I can't imagine why you're happy to portray yourself as disingenuous.... but there you are. Your choice.

[Spicerack]

Ichi's daytime job.

[ichkeria]

The BBC report doesn’t say the police pushed the woman onto the track. It says she ‘ended up’ on the track. The person who pushes her there is doing a disgraceful thing (assuming the footage related to the same incident which I’ll assume it does) but how does any of this demonstrate that this is a deliberate falsification. Maybe the reporter was as misled as everyone else. Maybe the BBC fit it wrong. When it comes to agendas it is naive to suppose that no one questioning media reporting had an agenda of their own. That agenda may be an honourable one but it is still there

[ichkeria]

The BBC report does not focus on that incident. It’s about the migrant crisis in general in Hungary. And seems pretty fair to me. Indeed I’d have thought you’d find it hard to disagree with it.

[naomi24]

ichkeria, //The BBC report doesn’t say the police pushed the woman onto the track.//

The implication is very clearly there. According to that report the police shoving came before the woman ended up on the track .... but that isn't how it was. Agendas seem to be rife around this story.

[Spicerack]

Why not just admit you got it wrong, ichi? Show some character.
You'll probably find this hard to believe but I was wrong once. And if the Internet had been invented then.....

[anotheoldgit]

I haven't watched 'the woman on the track' video, so I don't really know what it as to do with the German media refusing to answer Tommy Robinson's questions?

[ichkeria]

Here's the railway line incident as reported by the Mirror on 2015 and witnessed, it appear, by an ITV (not a BBC) reporter

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/refugee-couple-throw-themselves-train-6374144

[naomi24]

aog, it's an example of main stream media misreporting.

[-Talbot-]

Waffle all you like, ich ... you are (imo) looking silly by continuing to refuse the truth.

[-Talbot-]

Refugee couple throw themselves on train track



That's another lie ... isn't it