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Free School Meals Cut
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English families on Universal Credit have had their income threshold for free school meals cut.
Families in Northern Ireland have, notably, been exempt from the legislation: goo.gl/yxLWyp
Good idea?
English families on Universal Credit have had their income threshold for free school meals cut.
Families in Northern Ireland have, notably, been exempt from the legislation: goo.gl/yxLWyp
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benefit is hardly a huge sum of money and every little will help a family survive, some children only eat what they are served at school..so no it's not a good idea... help people to budget more yes.. but benefit recipients are very far from living in the land of milk and honey..I speak as someone who worked in benefit for many years... don't believe all the nonsense you see on telly etc it is not fun to live like that , particularly for children..
if some people cannot budget their tax payer funded freebie benefits
why do they still have and want children, who they cannot feed or clothe, default position i cannot manage, what did they do before they were on benefits, or have they always been on benefits, if so that's disgraceful, but im sure there are very decent people on benefits, who have fallen on hard times, for one reason or another, they need help back into work of course, work is good for the mind and body.. gives one purpose and focuses the mind, you may never get rich, but you will get by on your own coin, that you earned.
why do they still have and want children, who they cannot feed or clothe, default position i cannot manage, what did they do before they were on benefits, or have they always been on benefits, if so that's disgraceful, but im sure there are very decent people on benefits, who have fallen on hard times, for one reason or another, they need help back into work of course, work is good for the mind and body.. gives one purpose and focuses the mind, you may never get rich, but you will get by on your own coin, that you earned.
People end up in poverty for all kinds of reasons that they don't or can't foresee, and you can't "un-have" a child when those circumstances happen. It's not really particularly helpful to say "well, why can't they just budget better."
I'm on record as being one of AB's arch anti-natalists, but once a child has been born, you can't go about jeopardizing their access to food and clothing. This cut hits people in receipt of Universal Credit, who are (almost) by definition poor. Providing for genuine cases of hardship has to take priority over catching out fraudulent ones, or else there is no point in having a welfare system at all.
I'm on record as being one of AB's arch anti-natalists, but once a child has been born, you can't go about jeopardizing their access to food and clothing. This cut hits people in receipt of Universal Credit, who are (almost) by definition poor. Providing for genuine cases of hardship has to take priority over catching out fraudulent ones, or else there is no point in having a welfare system at all.
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some never make it back into work, disabilities, partner gone awol, children don't always come along when everything is rosy. There are a host of reasons why some can't get into work, or perhaps back into it. Debts pile up quickly and for some there is nothing but benefits to tide them over. If the council delays HB as happened to me i ended up paying full whack for a time, not best pleased.
some never make it back into work, disabilities, partner gone awol, children don't always come along when everything is rosy. There are a host of reasons why some can't get into work, or perhaps back into it. Debts pile up quickly and for some there is nothing but benefits to tide them over. If the council delays HB as happened to me i ended up paying full whack for a time, not best pleased.
"...and you can't "un-have" a child when those circumstances happen."
Indeed you cannot. But it is not unknown for people already living on benefits to knock out more children. Furthermore it is also not unknown for young women to deliberately become pregnant by the first spotty erk who will impregnate them.
Those in the first group will have their accommodation upgraded to suit their expanded requirements whilst those in the second will embark upon a life of "single parenthood" with all the taxpayer funded trappings that accompany it. The men in their lives will never live with them (on paper anyway) because they will lose their benefits.
This has led to the situation where those who are self-supporting must think long and hard before beginning or expanding their family; there is no automatic housing upgrade or increase in income for them. Those living at the taxpayers' expense have no such worries.
Indeed you cannot. But it is not unknown for people already living on benefits to knock out more children. Furthermore it is also not unknown for young women to deliberately become pregnant by the first spotty erk who will impregnate them.
Those in the first group will have their accommodation upgraded to suit their expanded requirements whilst those in the second will embark upon a life of "single parenthood" with all the taxpayer funded trappings that accompany it. The men in their lives will never live with them (on paper anyway) because they will lose their benefits.
This has led to the situation where those who are self-supporting must think long and hard before beginning or expanding their family; there is no automatic housing upgrade or increase in income for them. Those living at the taxpayers' expense have no such worries.
I taught a 15 year-old, who hated her home life (with good reason). She was ill for a long time with glandular fever. My daughter was also a sufferer, so we had long chats when I was free and she couldn't do P.E. A very nice girl. She left school as soon as she could when she was 16 and friends of hers who went on to 6th form told me later that she had had a baby before she was 17 - in order to get a council flat and be away from her abusive step-father.
It was the only way she could think of to escape, a risky way given her health problems. I can't condone it - but I can understand.
It was the only way she could think of to escape, a risky way given her health problems. I can't condone it - but I can understand.
//And that's why people who cannot support them shouldn't have them.//
We can all agree on that. But the price of living in a free society is that people are free to make bad choices. That leaves the question of what should be done in cases where people who can't afford children DO have them (either because they make a mistake, or because they suffer unexpected costs, or because they are trapping their spouse or gaming the benefits system). Surely the state has some obligation to ensure that children born under such circumstances are clothed, fed and educated? And is this cut surely isn't an effective way of meeting that obligation?
We can all agree on that. But the price of living in a free society is that people are free to make bad choices. That leaves the question of what should be done in cases where people who can't afford children DO have them (either because they make a mistake, or because they suffer unexpected costs, or because they are trapping their spouse or gaming the benefits system). Surely the state has some obligation to ensure that children born under such circumstances are clothed, fed and educated? And is this cut surely isn't an effective way of meeting that obligation?
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