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Very Disturbing Reading, Why All The Sensitivity?
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/// Their abusers, meanwhile, have hailed predominantly from the Pakistani community. ///
/// As a result, police, schools, councils and social services have repeatedly been accused of failing to properly investigate the abuse for fear of being accused of Islamophobia. ///
/// Yet many believe the failure of authorities to properly hold to account those involved in grooming gangs will fuel ethnic tension. ///
/// Their abusers, meanwhile, have hailed predominantly from the Pakistani community. ///
/// As a result, police, schools, councils and social services have repeatedly been accused of failing to properly investigate the abuse for fear of being accused of Islamophobia. ///
/// Yet many believe the failure of authorities to properly hold to account those involved in grooming gangs will fuel ethnic tension. ///
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What do we actually know and can agree on about this issue?
Well, firstly, that it's wide-spread, that it's been going on a very long time, and that (forget the "accused" bit in the OP) the "police, schools, councils and social services" have repeatedly failed to properly investigate the abuse.
Can anyone explain this almost universal long-term cover-up? People on the left usual profess higher moral standards than the rest of us, and yet most of the local councils where the abuse has been most rife have been Labour run, most people in the social services are left-leaning, as are most members of the teachers' unions. On the other hand the police force has often been portrayed as "systemically" racist, in which case accusations of the gang-rape of under-age girls by Pakistanis would have played directly into the hands of some coppers, wouldn't it?
And yet the abuse was allowed to to continue. As one poster lamented: "Failures of almost unbelievable scale, so many let down".
I'm trying to get myself into the minds of the many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people who had to remain silent in order for these crimes to continue with impunity for so long. I cannot imagine myself being in the know and not speaking out. Nor can I imagine what pressures could be put on me, by whom and for what reason to keep me quiet.
One poster wrote "All abusers should be uncovered and given lengthy prison sentences......... regardless of colour or creed". Yes, so they should. Can that poster think of a good reason why that didn't happen?
Well, firstly, that it's wide-spread, that it's been going on a very long time, and that (forget the "accused" bit in the OP) the "police, schools, councils and social services" have repeatedly failed to properly investigate the abuse.
Can anyone explain this almost universal long-term cover-up? People on the left usual profess higher moral standards than the rest of us, and yet most of the local councils where the abuse has been most rife have been Labour run, most people in the social services are left-leaning, as are most members of the teachers' unions. On the other hand the police force has often been portrayed as "systemically" racist, in which case accusations of the gang-rape of under-age girls by Pakistanis would have played directly into the hands of some coppers, wouldn't it?
And yet the abuse was allowed to to continue. As one poster lamented: "Failures of almost unbelievable scale, so many let down".
I'm trying to get myself into the minds of the many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people who had to remain silent in order for these crimes to continue with impunity for so long. I cannot imagine myself being in the know and not speaking out. Nor can I imagine what pressures could be put on me, by whom and for what reason to keep me quiet.
One poster wrote "All abusers should be uncovered and given lengthy prison sentences......... regardless of colour or creed". Yes, so they should. Can that poster think of a good reason why that didn't happen?
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This survivor says of public retaliation "I can tell you with certainty that none of this is likely to make any difference to the behaviour of groomers. Like terrorists, they firmly believe that the crimes they carry out are justified by their religious beliefs."
So really it's up to the state to do something isn't it instead of sweeping it under the carpet?
This survivor says of public retaliation "I can tell you with certainty that none of this is likely to make any difference to the behaviour of groomers. Like terrorists, they firmly believe that the crimes they carry out are justified by their religious beliefs."
So really it's up to the state to do something isn't it instead of sweeping it under the carpet?
264! As many as that, eh? Right, we're finally - twenty,thirty years on - on top of this problem? Is that what you're asking mne to believe, Gromit?
Telford: 1000 victims, 200 suspects (that's one adult Telford Muslim male in ten by the way) and nine convictions. If the police had invested the same time and resources into investigating this case as they have in convicting Tommy Robinson of mortgage fraud we might have got a few more banged up.
Or do you disagree?
Telford: 1000 victims, 200 suspects (that's one adult Telford Muslim male in ten by the way) and nine convictions. If the police had invested the same time and resources into investigating this case as they have in convicting Tommy Robinson of mortgage fraud we might have got a few more banged up.
Or do you disagree?
This goes part way to answering my original question. There was abundant evidence of the abuse in the Rotherham area, in Rochdale case (BBC's "Three Girls") and in Keighley when Ann Cryer was trying to stop the abuse. But there were always good reasons for not doing anything presented by the great and the good.
“Does that mean that mortgage fraud is more serious than rape and should be investigated more vigorously?”
To me no, to the police and judicial system yes, they take a more dimmer view at crimes against the banks then rapes/paedophilic crimes unfortunately unless it’s a celebrity involved,!itsvallbover the media and they’re under public pressure for answers.
To me no, to the police and judicial system yes, they take a more dimmer view at crimes against the banks then rapes/paedophilic crimes unfortunately unless it’s a celebrity involved,!itsvallbover the media and they’re under public pressure for answers.
//These girls could have done with bright, strong and principled women fighting their corner, but didn't find many. Where were they, where are they hiding? //
Now that is a question worthy of it's own analysis. Perhaps the moral and social decline in Europe, as a whole, is directly linked to the attitudes and aspirations of the women of Europe and the UK in particular?
Now that is a question worthy of it's own analysis. Perhaps the moral and social decline in Europe, as a whole, is directly linked to the attitudes and aspirations of the women of Europe and the UK in particular?
Jahuleye - // “Does that mean that mortgage fraud is more serious than rape and should be investigated more vigorously?”
To me no, to the police and judicial system yes, they take a more dimmer view at crimes against the banks then rapes/paedophilic crimes unfortunately ... //
That's a perception that is possibly guided by the media attention to each situation, which I don't believe to be an accurate representation of the seriousness with which the police view one crime over another.
The fact is, all crimes have to be investigated, and although in an ideal world it would be wonderful if each crime received the same level of investigation, resources make that impossible.
That said, I don't believe that the police regard mortgage fraud, or indeed any financial crime, to be more worthy of serious investigation that crimes against people, especially sexual expoitation.
// ... unless it’s a celebrity involved,! itsvallbover the media and they’re under public pressure for answers. //
Are you suggesting that 'Tommy Robinson' is a 'celebrity'? Once again that is a matter of perception!!!!
To me no, to the police and judicial system yes, they take a more dimmer view at crimes against the banks then rapes/paedophilic crimes unfortunately ... //
That's a perception that is possibly guided by the media attention to each situation, which I don't believe to be an accurate representation of the seriousness with which the police view one crime over another.
The fact is, all crimes have to be investigated, and although in an ideal world it would be wonderful if each crime received the same level of investigation, resources make that impossible.
That said, I don't believe that the police regard mortgage fraud, or indeed any financial crime, to be more worthy of serious investigation that crimes against people, especially sexual expoitation.
// ... unless it’s a celebrity involved,! itsvallbover the media and they’re under public pressure for answers. //
Are you suggesting that 'Tommy Robinson' is a 'celebrity'? Once again that is a matter of perception!!!!
I'm disappointed, not surprised though, that no-one has tried to answer my question of Sunday 16:23.
The Telford scandal has come to light five years after Andrew Norfolk exposed the sexual abuse and its cover-up in Rotherham, and four years after Dr. Jay produced her 160 page report on its extent. After that you would have thought that police, councils and welfare services everywhere - if only out concern for their own reputations - would have looked at the situation in their areas and taken immediate action against any Muslim rape gangs seen to be operating those areas (one poster at least, I see, thinks this is the case.) Telford tells us that the Jay report accomplished nothing.
Their is something deeply sickening about this, and maybe something prophetic, too. Let me quote a hero of mine on this:
'It seems reasonable to assume that the mass sexual exploitation of young girls is occurring in every English town with even a modest (as in Rotherham) "Asian" population, boundlessly cocksure and assertive, and a feeble British officialdom too cowed and appeasing to resist. The real word for what is happening is evil - for a society that will not defend its youngest and most vulnerable girls is surely capable of rationalizing many more wicked accommodations in the years ahead.' (Mark Steyn)
The Telford scandal has come to light five years after Andrew Norfolk exposed the sexual abuse and its cover-up in Rotherham, and four years after Dr. Jay produced her 160 page report on its extent. After that you would have thought that police, councils and welfare services everywhere - if only out concern for their own reputations - would have looked at the situation in their areas and taken immediate action against any Muslim rape gangs seen to be operating those areas (one poster at least, I see, thinks this is the case.) Telford tells us that the Jay report accomplished nothing.
Their is something deeply sickening about this, and maybe something prophetic, too. Let me quote a hero of mine on this:
'It seems reasonable to assume that the mass sexual exploitation of young girls is occurring in every English town with even a modest (as in Rotherham) "Asian" population, boundlessly cocksure and assertive, and a feeble British officialdom too cowed and appeasing to resist. The real word for what is happening is evil - for a society that will not defend its youngest and most vulnerable girls is surely capable of rationalizing many more wicked accommodations in the years ahead.' (Mark Steyn)
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But if it isn't in the interest of 'good intentions', but of self-preservation, then watch your ass.
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Milton Friedman [i
But if it isn't in the interest of 'good intentions', but of self-preservation, then watch your ass.
[i] khandro ]
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