France Hostages

[fender62]

let's hope it ends without loss of life
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5535755/Shooting-hostage-taking-supermarket-south-France.html

[Peter Pedant]

ze latest in French

http://www.lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2018/03/23/prise-d-otages-dans-un-supermarche-de-l-aude_5275306_1653578.html

(and there will be a flood of - "foo! - why dont dey speak English dare den?" - Foreign news reports in forrin ! never liked 'em - the French that is. Bread too dry.)

hostage taker shot

[Peter Pedant]

gendarme offered himself as a replacement hostage
and got shot himself....

[emmie]

upto date

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43518769

[fender62]

just another deluded follower of islam

[Peter Pedant]

and the gendarme has died from his wounds

25 replies here Fender on terrorism
and 60 see above on Ant Partlin - shows what AB thinks is important !

[Peter Pedant]

more on Beltram
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2018/03/23/trebes-arnaud-beltrame-le-gendarme-qui-s-est-livre-en-echange-des-otages-du-supermarche_5275709_3224.html

in forrin of course - - but AB has moved onto more important questions like "Does Ant like drink more than Dec?"

[Khandro]

No finer way for a man to die. R.I.P.

[naomi24]

Very sad.

[Zacs-Master]

I see this was yet another ‘something must be done’ thread without any practical suggestion as to what that ‘something’ should be.

It’s the hypocrisy of seemingly wanting our authorities to act whilst having no clue whatsoever what to do themselves which staggers me. From seemingly intelligent people too. It shows a worrying ignorance of the scale of the problem.

[naomi24]

zacs, //It’s the hypocrisy of seemingly wanting our authorities to act whilst having no clue whatsoever what to do themselves which staggers me. //

If you're staggering have a sit down. I've no doubt plenty of people have ideas but are not in a position to put those ideas into action. I won't ask what you'd suggest - you told me a long time ago you have no idea - but still you add your two-pennyworth by criticising everyone else. Happy days.

[Zacs-Master]

I feel quite within my rights to point out the hypocrisy as I see it. It’s pretty blatant.

What are these ideas then? And why haven’t they been implemented?

[NoMercy]

I'm sure France will react as it has done before by praying for its victims, lighting up the Eiffel Tower and then bracing itself for the next terrorist attack. Rinse and repeat.

[naomi24]

Zacs, What are those ideas? Well, at a guess some would want to stricter control over immigration and deportation, longer prison sentences, greater surveillance of mosques and faith schools – and some would say drop a bomb on the lot of them. Loads of ideas – but implementation is not within the remit of the hoi polloi which is why they haven’t been implemented.

Next!.

[Garaman]

Arnaud Beltrame, you died a hero Sir; I salute you.

[Georgiesmum]

Apparently the police officer involved has now died from his wounds.

[Zacs-Master]

Not within the remit of the hoi polloi. Really, Is that what you think? That there are practical solutions and the powers that be, for some reason, aren’t implementing them?

I think the impracticalities / ineffectual nature of many of your suggestions might be the reason.

For example, longer jail sentences. Mmm. Do you seriously think this would be a deterrent to brain washed terrorists? And let’s not even suggest rounding up terror suspects. The impracticalities of this are strewn through debate on here.

[-Talbot-]

Zacs-Master
I see this was yet another ‘something must be done’ thread


Was it?

[naomi24]

Zacs, //For example, longer jail sentences. Mmm. Do you seriously think this would be a deterrent to brain washed terrorists? //

Who said anything about deterrents? A jailed terrorist is out of action.

[NoMercy]

I don't think it would be unreasonable to deport the terrorist's whole family in a situation such as this. Why should they continue to enjoy France's hospitality?

If a would-be terrorist knew that their actions would carry that sort of consequence they might think twice.

Of course the better option would be to not let them into the country in the first place.

[Zacs-Master]

So why aren’t they being jailed?