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Another Brexit Defeat
Is it now inevitable, that the Brexit that many people voted for, will never ever happen?
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People seem to forget that there were two different Leave campaigns. There was VoteLeave - the "official" one and Leave.Eu. Both of them were about equal in reach, and promoted completely different ideas of what Leaving would be. Leave.Eu advocated total departure and stressed immigration, while VL said essentially anything it needed to. One of the...
22:33 Tue 08th May 2018
But how can the Government deliver Brexit, when there isn't an agreement on what that actually is?
This is what I'm seeing at work - there are people who voted for Brexit who have completely different ideas of what that actually means.
All the people I've spoken to who voted to remain had one goal...to remain.
But those who voted to leave either want soft or hard Brexit...so whatever happens from now on - the majority of people aren't going to be happy with the outcome.
This is what I'm seeing at work - there are people who voted for Brexit who have completely different ideas of what that actually means.
All the people I've spoken to who voted to remain had one goal...to remain.
But those who voted to leave either want soft or hard Brexit...so whatever happens from now on - the majority of people aren't going to be happy with the outcome.
Whilst the upper chamber try to kick democracy down, their opinion is invalid and must be rejected. All they do is strengthen the case for the upper chamber replacement and waste a little time in the lower house while it rejects any amendment and sends it on again. The exit will be decided upon by the government and it's important that it stands up for genuine withdrawal.
"But those who voted to leave either want soft or hard Brexit"
There is no such thing as either a "soft" or a "hard" Brexit. It's like being slightly pregnant (or not).
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It was made abundantly clear to the electorate (not least by the architects of "Project Fear") what leaving the EU would mean. It means leaving the organisation and all its functions and institutions. Anything else is not leaving.In the same way as the UK cannot pick and choose what bits of membership it can retain, nor can the EU.
We have the opportunity to leave completely but politicians in both Houses seek to thwart that exit and are playing into the Euromaniacs' hands. Shame on them. We need to crack on and extract ourselves from what is a corrupt, protectionist and shameful organisation.
There is no such thing as either a "soft" or a "hard" Brexit. It's like being slightly pregnant (or not).
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It was made abundantly clear to the electorate (not least by the architects of "Project Fear") what leaving the EU would mean. It means leaving the organisation and all its functions and institutions. Anything else is not leaving.In the same way as the UK cannot pick and choose what bits of membership it can retain, nor can the EU.
We have the opportunity to leave completely but politicians in both Houses seek to thwart that exit and are playing into the Euromaniacs' hands. Shame on them. We need to crack on and extract ourselves from what is a corrupt, protectionist and shameful organisation.
The PM surely knows that staying in the CU in it's present form is simply remaining under EU control. The question is what will the EU suggest replacing it with when they've finished making what they know are unacceptable suggestions ? Either they want an open border in Ireland as they like to claim or they are going for the 'blame everyone but themselves and cry crocodile tears when no agreement is reached', option.
The referendum question was this:
“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union, or leave the European Union?”
The question assumes a binary choice — Remain or Leave the EU — while voting theory warns that allowing only two options can easily be a misleading representation of the real choice.
When the true situation is more complex, and especially if it is one that arouses strong passions, then reducing the question to a binary one might suggest a political motivation.
As a result of the present process, we actually don’t know how people would have voted when they had been offered the true options.
Compare the question: ‘Do you still beat your mother ?’ When you are allowed only a Yes or No answer, then you are blocked from answering:
‘I will not answer that question because if I say No then it suggests that I agree that I have beaten her in the past.’
In the case of Brexit, the hidden complexity concerned:
— Leave, and adopt an EFTA or WTO framework?
— Leave, while the UK remains intact or while it splits up?
— Remain, in what manner?
“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union, or leave the European Union?”
The question assumes a binary choice — Remain or Leave the EU — while voting theory warns that allowing only two options can easily be a misleading representation of the real choice.
When the true situation is more complex, and especially if it is one that arouses strong passions, then reducing the question to a binary one might suggest a political motivation.
As a result of the present process, we actually don’t know how people would have voted when they had been offered the true options.
Compare the question: ‘Do you still beat your mother ?’ When you are allowed only a Yes or No answer, then you are blocked from answering:
‘I will not answer that question because if I say No then it suggests that I agree that I have beaten her in the past.’
In the case of Brexit, the hidden complexity concerned:
— Leave, and adopt an EFTA or WTO framework?
— Leave, while the UK remains intact or while it splits up?
— Remain, in what manner?
But why do we have so much dissent and argument amongst those who are working towards Brexit?
When our Foreign Secretary denounces his own government’s plans for a customs arrangement as ‘crazy’ - what does that mean?
I don’t think we’re ever going to get a Brexit that all those who voted for it want.
It’s going to be a patchwork.
Money on it.
When our Foreign Secretary denounces his own government’s plans for a customs arrangement as ‘crazy’ - what does that mean?
I don’t think we’re ever going to get a Brexit that all those who voted for it want.
It’s going to be a patchwork.
Money on it.
