Would It Save Money For Our Nhs If Ireland Vote To Allow Abortions?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5770297/Polls-open-Ireland-s-abortion-referendum.html

/// In 1992, women were officially given the right to travel abroad, mostly to the UK, to obtain terminations. Pro-repeal campaigners said almost 170,000 have done so. ///

/// The Irish Government's deputy premier, Tanaiste Simon Coveney, has argued that effectively left Britain deciding the law for Irish women around the procedure and it was time to take back control in Ireland. ///

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

Oh I see what you are getting at now, thanks for making it more clear.

[youngmafbog]

"While they are in the UK, ostensibly as tourists, they will be buting food, accommodation, transport - all of which are good for the economy. "

Good God, even a staunch capitalist I cannot comprehend how anyone can consider it being good to make money from this dreadful situation. Have some decorum Gromit.

[Gromit]

Ymb,
I am not encouraging abortion tourism, but it is a fact. The question was about the financial drain on the NHS (there isn’t one) so it is fair to counter that with an economic argument the other way, that tourism is good for the country.
I do not consider that bad taste. If anything I will be glad when this economic benefit goes away if Ireland vote to change the law to allow abortions in their country.

[youngmafbog]

ok.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// The question was about the financial drain on the NHS (there isn’t one) ///

I think that you should think again, it is a big drain on the NHS, you have already stated that you are not encouraging abortion tourism.
It is not only these abortions but also all the other overseas medical and surgical tourism cases that we carry out for those from overseas, most of which we are never paid for.

[Gromit]

AOG
I don’t think you have understood the answers.

Tourists from the Irish Republic do not get free abortions on the NHS, they have to pay Private Clinics.

British Taxpayers from Northern Ireland are entitled to abortions on the British mainland. Because they have paid into the NHS like other UK taxpayers.

Abortion of Irish foetus’ is not adding to the NHS burden.

[ichkeria]

Just to repeat what’s been said several times already: it’s not a drain on the NHS, as women from the republic go to private clinics. And surely as others have said that is not the main reason, or shouldn’t be, for wanting a change to come about

[ichkeria]

Sorry gromit I didn’t see your reply

[anotheoldgit]

Only recently, read my link

/// More than 50 MPs from the major parties had backed a Labour-led call for the women to have access to NHS abortions in England. They currently have to pay. ///

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40438390

[ichkeria]

I’m on the verge of giving up, but for definitely the last time: that link refers to N Ireland. The referendum is being held in a different country

[Islay]

Ich give it up mate your not being listened to!

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// Until now, women from Northern Ireland accessing abortion in Great Britain were forced to pay about £900 for the procedure. Northern Ireland has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe and it is almost impossible for a women to have an abortion legally there. Even in cases of rape, incest and fatal foetal abnormalities abortions remain illegal. ///

[Gromit]

AOG

Please concentrate.

Northern Ireland is in the UK.
It pays UK taxes, and that pays for the NHS.
Northern Irish women are entitled to the same NHS services as the rest of the UK.
Abortion is not a service available in NI, so they can come to another part of the UK where it is, to have the treatment. They have paid for it, so the NHS is not out of pocket.

[jim360]

Helpful video to clear up confusion:

[THECORBYLOON]

There is no longer a "national" NHS as each of the home nations has its own NHS. That is why, until last year, Ulster women had to pay for NHS abortions in Great Britain.

A case was heard in the Supreme Court last year which upheld the English NHS' right to impose a charge as did the Scots and Welsh NHS.

The charge was removed in all three countries last year which is why it is now free for Ulster women to have abortions in GB.

[ichkeria]

Looks like a ‘Yes’ landslide

[Peter Pedant]

for chrissakes AOG

republic of oireland is different and to the south of Northern Ireland - two different places with two differenet legal systems

you must have done "1922 and all that" in skool
it was just all such a long time ago

[ummmm]

Gromit, you're wrong, they don't have to pay.

[ummmm]

Peter, if you want to be taken seriously spell your words correctly. Spell the name of my country correctly....it's not fecking hard

[ichkeria]

I think you misread Gromit’s post ummmm

Anyway, the answer’s “Yes” thank goodness