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Sorry to bring it up again, but does anyone get the impression we have won the referendum but lost our way ?
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To quantify that yes...
There are so many MPs and Lords who are either paid by the EU or are in such awe of the EU (and additionally believe we are incapable of being independent) that they will not allow a proper Brexit.
They can’t see they are actually damaging our chances of getting anything like an even half way descent deal let alone a good one.
It seems the customs union and single market are their Achilles heal. They see those two as the be all and end all of life as we know it.
There are so many MPs and Lords who are either paid by the EU or are in such awe of the EU (and additionally believe we are incapable of being independent) that they will not allow a proper Brexit.
They can’t see they are actually damaging our chances of getting anything like an even half way descent deal let alone a good one.
It seems the customs union and single market are their Achilles heal. They see those two as the be all and end all of life as we know it.
Lets not forget the "EU" are very annoyed with us for wanting to come out of their little "club" that they are making it as difficult for us as possible.
Nobody thought it would be easy, but they are making it even harder than anyone imagined.
It is their attempt to stop anyone else wanting to leave.
Nobody thought it would be easy, but they are making it even harder than anyone imagined.
It is their attempt to stop anyone else wanting to leave.
Guilbert - I entirely agree.
The EU are petrified of the UK leaving and being a successful independent trading nation - it makes their raison d'etre fall apart instantly.
So yes, there is always going to be a fight, but hopefully the UK can hold its nerve in what is effectively a sophisticated poker game, and not blink first.
The EU are petrified of the UK leaving and being a successful independent trading nation - it makes their raison d'etre fall apart instantly.
So yes, there is always going to be a fight, but hopefully the UK can hold its nerve in what is effectively a sophisticated poker game, and not blink first.
the reason that brexit is in such a mess is that that is the way TM wants it to be. She wants to create such a mess (remember she did not want it in the first place) with it that voters get so fed up with it they appeal to her to forget it.......rather like she is doing to the NHS.....get it in such a mess that people will put up with privatisation in order to sort it out rather than getting the likes of Richard Branson and the like to pay UK tax.
rant over.....gets down off soap box
rant over.....gets down off soap box
Not so much lost our way but list hope that the EU will ultimately act responsibly rather than obstructively: plus found the PM is willing to capitulate any time the EU digs their heels in. Never mind, there's always so called hard Brexit, or we can renegotiate any carp "agreements" when someone sane takes office.
A couple of story’s in this weekend’s papers which back up your post, Whiskers:
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"The Northern Ireland border is a huge issue the achilles heel of Brexit."
No it isn't. Switzerland (not a member of the Customs Union) manages to trade with its EU neighbours with minimal friction. Huge amounts of goods enter and leave the UK (currently an EU member) from and to a multitude of non-EU countries with little or no intervention provided by a "hard" customs border. About thirty times the value of Irish cross-border goods pass through the port of Felixstowe alone every year, a majority of it non-EU. Many times that transits Heathrow and Gatwick. There are not customs officers opening every container and packing crate looking for undeclared goods. All these are accomplished with the concurrence of the EU yet they make a huge fuss about a trifling amount of cross-border trade in Ireland to such a degree that many people believe the problem is insurmountable. The Irish border is being used by the EU to prise even more concessions from the UK and our pathetic "negotiators" (who are not worthy of the term) cave in.
No it isn't. Switzerland (not a member of the Customs Union) manages to trade with its EU neighbours with minimal friction. Huge amounts of goods enter and leave the UK (currently an EU member) from and to a multitude of non-EU countries with little or no intervention provided by a "hard" customs border. About thirty times the value of Irish cross-border goods pass through the port of Felixstowe alone every year, a majority of it non-EU. Many times that transits Heathrow and Gatwick. There are not customs officers opening every container and packing crate looking for undeclared goods. All these are accomplished with the concurrence of the EU yet they make a huge fuss about a trifling amount of cross-border trade in Ireland to such a degree that many people believe the problem is insurmountable. The Irish border is being used by the EU to prise even more concessions from the UK and our pathetic "negotiators" (who are not worthy of the term) cave in.
