Saiid Javid Increases Immigration

[thesshhh]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/13/sajid-javid-relax-immigration-controls-bring-thousands-skilled/ Is this in the best interests of Britain? Has Javid got Britain’s best interests at heart?

[emmie]

if they are skilled workers, and are needed in whichever profession then one can say that he is right to let them in, what we don;t need right now is those without any skills, as we have enough of those who are home grown.

[1ozzy]

I'd hazard a guess with a name like Saiid Javid the answer is yes, as far as Saiid is concerned.

[mushroom25]

i'm still not sure that poaching essential staff from more needy nations just because the UK can't be ar$ed to train its own essential staff (or more to the point pay for it - training is expensive) is necessarily the best for everyone.

[waterboatman]

We have enough home grown talent that can't find a job. Companies can pay immigrant less.

[Zacs-Master]

I suspect this is in response to this:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/12/uk-visa-applications-doctors-thousands-refused-figures-show-nhs

But it does rather seem like Mr J has used it as an excuse to widen the relaxation.

[Peter Pedant]

Yeah hooray
another AB fred on - lets send all the foreign doctors to Wagga Wagga or somewhere ( that is a place in Australia I hasten to point out to non-Geographers ) and that will SAVE the NHS
yeah good dat !

an look at dat Savid Javid - brown skin and funny name
he nodda a Brit - foo!

[ a thousand standard Abers post and repost: yeah! and quite too true ! wetc wtc)

[Zacs-Master]

No one is saying anything about sending foreign doctors anywhere. Other than you, PP. The thread is about receiving them (and other immigrant skilled workers).

[Kromovaracun]

I'm relieved by this. Some of the recent decisions taken by the government re: skilled workers are extremely ill-judged (in fact borderline fanatical). The UK economy needs to be open to skilled workers if we hope to be open to business.

[1ozzy]

Well done PP, at least someone knows where Wagga Wagga is.

I'm impressed with your geographical knowledge.

[youngmafbog]

IF the imports are up to the same skill level as a UK worker and IF they speak fluent English and providing they cannot bring hordes of family over (defeatst the object as more imports means more doctors/nrses etc) and IF it can be proved no one from the EU(at present) or the UK can do the job then fine.

However, as I have expressed on here many times, I have the same concerns as Mush. Taking expensively trained staff from poor countries really is not acceptable. We need to start training our own.

[Gromit]

He is not increasing immigration.

He is going back to the previous position whereby we could recruit skilled applicants to take jobs where there we insufficient applicants from British people.

The current policy of denying jobs to doctors etc, while there is a shortage is very shortsighted and harmful.

[Kromovaracun]

We have started training our own. It takes forever to train doctors, and not enough British students decide to go into medicine to meet demand. That's not really a situation you can just change with a snap of the fingers.

[scooping]

Points system.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Every Home Secretary until now has danced around the immigration issue and particularly meeting any targets. I believe it to be in Britain's best interests to invest in skilled doctors and nurses for the NHS, and welcome Javid's new direction on immigration. Quality not quantity seems to be a sensible approach.

[andres]

I wish that these highly skilled people would look to the needs of their own countries first? If the dire situations in some of the third world countries could be helped by their own skilled workers then the world might just become a better place.

[jno]

ZM, so many British doctors were going to Australia that Canberra had to impose visa restrictions a year or so ago. There does seem to be a well-worn path worldwide for doctors following the money; the trouble (from the British patient's point of view) is that Britain isn't at the end of it.

[Old_Geezer]

As we don't have 100% employment of able bodied native adults then of course we have UK citizens who can do the work or be trained to do so. So no reason to try to develop a dependence on immigrant workers.

The side issue is the work should be paid sufficient to attract native potential employees in the work market, and the work conditions sufficient to do likewise. If pay and conditions are not such then the business isn't viable here and bypassing the national market to attract those poor enough to put up with less, isn't morally correct.

There are further side issues too, notably welfare payments, but the subject of a thread should be limited or risk going off track.

[ummmm]

I was in hospital recently for a very small, quick procedure and there was 6 people in the room. All appeared to be British so we are training people...just not enough people. It's a massive dedication to go into medicine.

[jno]

it takes a long time to train medical staff. But it will have to be done, especially if foreign ones prefer not to come here.

According to the BMJ, the NHS last year decided to recruit 601 foreign GPs this year. Their previous target had been 500 by 2021 - but in fact they'd only got 38.

https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3968.full

That's an awful lot of slack to take up.

[ummmm]

I've only seen two GPs in our practise and they are both foreign. Both lovely.