In A List Of 21 Safest Countries, Where Would You Say The Uk Sits?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/975030/safest-countries-in-the-world-crime-news-UK

[Jackdaw33]

Well you were very badly trained, Mamya. A small smear of invisible superglue in the bowl of the spoon does wonders.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

The lengths some will go to, so as to avoid addressing the real problem.

What would be the point of naming more countries in the list, when we are only concerned with the UK's position in the list.

Perhaps if the Express had printed the lists in full, some would still complain that it showed up those countries even further down the list, in a poor light.

And we all know those countries don't we?

[ToraToraTora]

I'm still trying to figure out how Egypt is safer than the UK.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// Coming in last out of 21 does make it sound bad, aog. Twentieth out of 135 sounds much better. ///

Yes maybe, but those are the facts, I am only interested in knowing those countries that are considered safer than the UK.

[TheChair]

This isn't a list of the safest countries it's "a global poll of how at ease residents feel in 135 countries".
If you live in a country where certain newspapers concentrate on telling you how unsafe you are, you may feel less safe, but that doesn't mean you ARE less safe. Being safe and feeling safe are not at all the same thing.

[sp1814]

AOG

//What would be the point of naming more countries in the list, when we are only concerned with the UK's position in the list.//

Because the UK is NOT bottom of a list of 21 countries.

It’s 21st in a list of 135 countries.

I’m seriously shocked that you can’t see this.

Or...are you played Devil’s Advocate in order to move an argument on?

[pastafreak]

We're in the top 20% of the full list...that's pretty good I'd say.


^^^^ I meant to post the above about 30 minutes ago while I was on the bus. It seems others have done the same maths.
Maybe this is a "glass half full or half empty" situation.

[KARL]

...."probably the most boring country in the world" - a new example of sour grapes ? Iceland defeated the UK several times, not militarily but in spite of the UK's military, and most recently in an international court (the "Icesave" issues). In probably every way worth bothering about Iceland is rated a better place/society than the UK and it is embarrassing to witness Brits drawing attention to the UK's lower achievements with silly/ignorant remarks. The thing that forgives such crass comment is that he who speaks clearly has no idea how wrong he is. The football victory over England doesn't count because it was of no real significance/worth.

[jno]

this is nonsense. It is not a list of the safest countries, it is a list of the countries whose residents feel safest. Given that Britain is full of people convinced Isis are about to hack them all to death, I'm surprised it even made the top 100.

[ToraToraTora]

"Iceland defeated the UK several times, " - not his tish again, the cod wars were not wars, they were called that by the media, basically we poorly negotiated the fishing rights probably because of gutless political popinjays like we have doing brexit today. Stop it with this cobras.

[gulliver1]

Ymb 16.30, Pot and Bleeding Kettle.

[Old_Geezer]

From what I hear of Singapore they are so draconian that being the safest place has less attraction than worrying that you might transgress repulses. Balance is important for peace of mind.

[237SJ]

I agree with TheChair. The poll was about how residents preceive their safety. Not all countries have the gutter press of the UK which leads one to believe that they are about to be attacked by motorcyclists or blown up by ISIS. Perception and facts are two different things

[KARL]

If there is a confrontation, including the flexing of military muscle by despatching naval vessels to foreign territory (ignore previous "traditional" exploitative presence), and these are subsequently withdrawn to concede the original point, what is that called ? When one country officially puts another on a terrorist list along with Al Qaeda et al, holds it up as some kind of pariah and brings a case against it in an international court and, when awarding the case to the defendant, that court admonishes the pursuer for reprehensible conduct (malevolently using its greater influence to knowingly cause harm), what is that called ?

Of course it hurts to feel part of the side which lost but all the same this would generally be seen as a description of losing, not least when the winner then goes on to do an awful lot better than his/its opponent on pretty much every important front. To learn something from losing (just a grain of humility perhaps ?) would be better than to describe it as some sort of "fake news". Sadly, it is unrealistic to expect some to be honest to themselves.

[Spicerack]

KARL ....// Iceland defeated the UK several times, most recently in an international court (the "Icesave" issues).//

^Defaulted on it's debt.

[237SJ]

"From what I hear of Singapore they are so draconian" I wouldn't say draconian exactly. More boring, really. Mainly because the place is so urban.

[KARL]

In a quick look at the link (OP) I am unable to see who conducted the survey and produced the list in question, maybe I have missed it somewhere. It appears to be an opinion poll more than anything else and comments here pointing to this are to that extent fair - but so far as I can see the report does not claim to be anything other than an opinion poll.

What to me is much more substantial/scientific is another list which factors in a whole load of stuff such as crime statistics, economic statistics, military activity, etc., etc. here
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/non-economic-data/most-peaceful-countries?page=2
Unfortunately, for those who want the UK listed among the very best, the news is even worse: 57th.

[Mamyalynne]

Link to download the report mentioned in the OP is on Page 1 of this thread.

[KARL]

Spicerack, the court found that the UK was wrong to claim this - like other banks (particularly in the UK) the Icelandic ones collapsed through the often explained process. The UK sought to transfer to the Icelandic government a duty to repay all deposits and invested sums in full, unlimited liability. The court upheld the legal principle that the duty was/is limited (stated in law). My understanding is that depositors (if not all then at least very nearly all) have by now received their money, most notably UK councils. Other creditors have similarly nearly all received settlements which they have accepted as full and final - I believe a very small contingent of investors (hedge funds, I think) based in the USA are still holding out and the same offer is (again, if I am correctly informed and/or understand correctly) available to them as was accepted by the rest.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, why do you accept the findings of this survey when you have criticised other, larger surveys (on different subjects) as being unrepresentative?