Hungry Acts Over Migrant Crisis.

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44546030

[jackthehat]

Yes.

[Old_Geezer]

Helping asylum seekers and facilitating illegal immigration need not be the same thing. There are genuine asylum seekers who don't migrate illegally. That stated I'm unsure how many of Hungary's neighbours are having citizens flee from them.

[kvalidir]

If anyone thinks the criminalising of lawyers and activists advocating for immigrants is okay then we have already gone past the point of no return I fear.

[anotheoldgit]

kvalidir

You missed out that all important word 'ILLEGAL'

[cassa333]

And that’s the way to shut down legitimate debate Kvalidir.

It rather depends if people can be prosecuted ‘just’ for working with an organisation or is actively involved. And rather more important is it is legal and illegal migrants or simply illegals.

However considering their asylum numbers dropped considerably recently they seem to be coping OK as it is.

[youngmafbog]

Something has to be done currents rates of migration cannot be sustained without breaking the countries they are going to so I can quite see where Hungary is coming from. People like Soros have an ulterior motive in which they believe they know better than the masses. Democracy is a terrible concept for them

Quite how this would work I am not sure but it is an interesting concept providing it is just for illegals.

[kvalidir]

When a mob decides to beat an individual to death it's 'democracy' in it's truest form, YMB by definition democracy only ever works for the many not the few.

Let me amend my original post for you AOG

If anyone thinks the criminalising of lawyers and activists advocating for illegal immigrants is okay then we have already gone past the point of no return I fear.

[-Talbot-]

Why won't the 'look at me I'm not racist' people ever explore a bit of common sense when it comes to migration?

Economic migrants are making it much more difficult for genuine refugees.

Why does Europe need to import economic migrants when the level of youth unemployment is so high?

[youngmafbog]

"When a mob decides to beat an individual to death it's 'democracy' in it's truest form,"

Jeez, your on one today arnt you. What utter cobbler and yo uknow it. Get of your ruddy high horse others do have, and are entitled to, a different opinion without being sneered at.

[anotheoldgit]

kvalidir

/// If anyone thinks the criminalising of lawyers and activists advocating for illegal immigrants is okay then we have already gone past the point of no return I fear. ///

Oh so you think that illegals should get all the support they can get?

[kvalidir]

Nah don't think I will YMB, there's a cracking view from up here, I can see you house :)

[youngmafbog]

I'm waving !

[cassa333]

And still no debate from Kvalidir.

Were I do think criminalising lawyers is too far over the line I think there should be no central funding given to them to do whatever it is they do in regards to illegals. Who pays the lawyers who help illegal migrants?

Actually all they need is a moderator to look at their status and adjudicate on are they illegal or not. No, OK you can come into the system. Yes. Hoike them back to the country the slunk in from and let them apply legally.

[kvalidir]

Okay okay I'll own up, I'm part of a sleeper cell of AB'ers who deliberately wind up the charming right wing element of the site in the hope that they can be done away with by infuriating them to such an extent that they spontaneously combust with outrage that anyone doesn't think:-
a. that everything is the fault of immigrants.
b. that everything is the fault of women.
c. that everything is the fault of Muslims.
d. that Rolf Harris is nice and shouldn't have been sent to prison just because he raped a few people who were obviously lying/ asking for it/ dressed in a way that Queen Victoria would not approve of.
e. that everything is the fault of Jeremy Corbyn.
f. that everything is the fault of anyone under 50.
g. that Brexit will actually ever happen.

If you want people to answer sensibly don't come on with a pre set agenda to demonise virutally all minority groups across the board and rubbish anyone who has a different opinion to you. I love a proper debate but sadly this is no longer the place for that.

[-Talbot-]

Why does Europe need to import economic migrants when the level of youth unemployment is so high?



Sensible enough imo, Kval...would you like to answer it?

[Ellipsis]

I'm off to lunch ... how's that for "Hungry Acts"?

[youngmafbog]

As I said before, you really are on one today.

[kvalidir]

Ah hi Talbot a sensible response, hooray.
Brief answer is they don't. However the manner in which illegal immigrants are treated needs to be transparent, swift, fair and just. Therefore as a whole Europe needs to have in place quick assessment, quick deportation where it's warranted and swift integration where it's not. It's that simple. Of course we can't take every person in the world, no-one thinks we can, no-one but we can't allow ourselves to slide into a situation where criminalising advocates for these people is considered normal. It simply isn't.

[-Talbot-]

And how do you feel about economic migrants clogging up the system resulting in making it more difficult for genuine asylum seekers?

[kvalidir]

As I said the key is swiftness, assess quickly, make the appeal stage more fluid than it already is, and deport quickly or integrate quickly, that gives genuine asylum seekers the best possible chance of getting the help they deserve and to avoid being lumped into a far larger group of ' anyone not born in Watford' that the media seem to delight in muddling together to promote rows amongst us exactly like this one.