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My god. We truly are in the post-truth era.
Exhibit A: "I actually told Theresa May how to do it [Brexit], but she didn't agree, she didn't listen to me. ... She didn't listen. No, I told her how to do it. ... She wanted to go a different route.
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"I'm not pitting one against the other, but I think [Boris Johnson] would be a great Prime Minister."
Exhibit B: "I didn't criticise the Prime Minister."
He also said in the Sun interview that May's Brexit plan would make any chances of a US trade deal highly unlikely... and now says that they won't. The plan has not changed, so both of these things cannot be true.
Exhibit A: "I actually told Theresa May how to do it [Brexit], but she didn't agree, she didn't listen to me. ... She didn't listen. No, I told her how to do it. ... She wanted to go a different route.
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"I'm not pitting one against the other, but I think [Boris Johnson] would be a great Prime Minister."
Exhibit B: "I didn't criticise the Prime Minister."
He also said in the Sun interview that May's Brexit plan would make any chances of a US trade deal highly unlikely... and now says that they won't. The plan has not changed, so both of these things cannot be true.
Krom:
Exhibit A: That’s not a lie. It’s an opinion.
Exhibit B: He didn’t criticise the Prime Minister. Like many of us he doesn’t agree with her handling of Brexit, and he said so.
Your ‘also’: Subsequent to the interview with The Sun, and after his arrival in the UK he said: "I read reports where that won't be possible but I believe, after speaking with the Prime Minister's people and representatives and trade experts, it will absolutely be possible."
I’ll ask again. Where are the blatant lies?
Exhibit A: That’s not a lie. It’s an opinion.
Exhibit B: He didn’t criticise the Prime Minister. Like many of us he doesn’t agree with her handling of Brexit, and he said so.
Your ‘also’: Subsequent to the interview with The Sun, and after his arrival in the UK he said: "I read reports where that won't be possible but I believe, after speaking with the Prime Minister's people and representatives and trade experts, it will absolutely be possible."
I’ll ask again. Where are the blatant lies?
Criticising May - up to the point of endorsing another person as PM - and then saying that you didn't is a lie.
//I read reports where that won't be possible but I believe, after speaking with the Prime Minister's people and representatives and trade experts, it will absolutely be possible//
So he didn't read any of the reports before giving an opinion on it? What an oaf.
//I read reports where that won't be possible but I believe, after speaking with the Prime Minister's people and representatives and trade experts, it will absolutely be possible//
So he didn't read any of the reports before giving an opinion on it? What an oaf.
Krom, //I thought Trump was supposed to be different, though? 'Draining the swamp'?//
Over twenty years ago he hadn’t pledged to drain the swamp. He wasn’t in a position to make such a pledge.
//you either have a problem with meeting the IRA or you don't. Make up your mind.//
I have a problem with anyone funding the IRA – but I understand why wealthy Irish Americans did it – and I’m not so disingenuous that I will dig up whatever dirt I can find just to suit this spiteful on-going agenda.
//That is criticism!//
Yes, of her handling of Brexit – not of her personally. I would go much farther than him. She’s a disgrace to democracy – and that is personal.
//So he didn't read any of the reports before giving an opinion on it? What an oaf.//
Of course he read reports. He said he read reports.
//I read reports where that won't be possible//
^See? Who’s the oaf?
I’ll ask again. What blatant lies?
Enjoy the sun.
Over twenty years ago he hadn’t pledged to drain the swamp. He wasn’t in a position to make such a pledge.
//you either have a problem with meeting the IRA or you don't. Make up your mind.//
I have a problem with anyone funding the IRA – but I understand why wealthy Irish Americans did it – and I’m not so disingenuous that I will dig up whatever dirt I can find just to suit this spiteful on-going agenda.
//That is criticism!//
Yes, of her handling of Brexit – not of her personally. I would go much farther than him. She’s a disgrace to democracy – and that is personal.
//So he didn't read any of the reports before giving an opinion on it? What an oaf.//
Of course he read reports. He said he read reports.
//I read reports where that won't be possible//
^See? Who’s the oaf?
I’ll ask again. What blatant lies?
Enjoy the sun.
//Yes, of her handling of Brexit – not of her personally.//
So he did criticise the PM then (hint: criticising someone of things that they have done counts as criticising them). And then claimed that he hadn't. That is lying, however much you wish it wasn't.
//I have a problem with anyone funding the IRA – but I understand why wealthy Irish Americans did it//
What a pathetic double-standard. Even if it were somehow understandable, Trump is not Irish-American, his parents were German and Scottish. I will remember this though the next time Corbyn's history with the IRA comes up.
I don't know what the President has done to earn such a degree of supine loyalty in you, but I think we've gone about as far as we're going to here and I've got other things I need to do.
So he did criticise the PM then (hint: criticising someone of things that they have done counts as criticising them). And then claimed that he hadn't. That is lying, however much you wish it wasn't.
//I have a problem with anyone funding the IRA – but I understand why wealthy Irish Americans did it//
What a pathetic double-standard. Even if it were somehow understandable, Trump is not Irish-American, his parents were German and Scottish. I will remember this though the next time Corbyn's history with the IRA comes up.
I don't know what the President has done to earn such a degree of supine loyalty in you, but I think we've gone about as far as we're going to here and I've got other things I need to do.
Krom, you’re clutching at straws. He criticised her handling of Brexit – and that’s something I think few would disagree with.
//Even if it were somehow understandable [support for the IRA], Trump is not Irish-American//
No, he isn’t, but I imagine that he, like a lot of people, saw (and perhaps still sees) credibility in the fundamental cause – which I understand because whilst I don’t condone the IRA’s methods, I too think the Irish have a valid argument. Perhaps you should check your history. America fought the British for Independence so it’s no surprise that the Irish struggle garners a degree of US sympathy.
//I don't know what the President has done to earn such a degree of supine loyalty in you//
He doesn’t generate supine loyalty in me. I think he’s an arrogant, self-opinionated, conceited, big headed, big mouth – but he speaks the unpalatable truth – and he’s courageous enough to speak it in a way that no politician before has done or moreover, dared to do. He doesn’t kowtow to what appears to have become a universal expectation of sycophantic political correctness and that’s what the hypocritical hordes don’t like. He doesn’t say what they want him to say or what they want to hear. As you rightly observe, we truly are in the post-truth era…. and that’s a sad indictment upon our society and upon anyone who willingly or purposefully accedes to it.
//Even if it were somehow understandable [support for the IRA], Trump is not Irish-American//
No, he isn’t, but I imagine that he, like a lot of people, saw (and perhaps still sees) credibility in the fundamental cause – which I understand because whilst I don’t condone the IRA’s methods, I too think the Irish have a valid argument. Perhaps you should check your history. America fought the British for Independence so it’s no surprise that the Irish struggle garners a degree of US sympathy.
//I don't know what the President has done to earn such a degree of supine loyalty in you//
He doesn’t generate supine loyalty in me. I think he’s an arrogant, self-opinionated, conceited, big headed, big mouth – but he speaks the unpalatable truth – and he’s courageous enough to speak it in a way that no politician before has done or moreover, dared to do. He doesn’t kowtow to what appears to have become a universal expectation of sycophantic political correctness and that’s what the hypocritical hordes don’t like. He doesn’t say what they want him to say or what they want to hear. As you rightly observe, we truly are in the post-truth era…. and that’s a sad indictment upon our society and upon anyone who willingly or purposefully accedes to it.
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