How Do Scum Such As These Two, Not Only Manage To Live In This Country Illegally, But Also Manage To Convince The Authorities That They Were Tenants In This Tower Block, So As To Fraud The Taxpayers Out Of £120,000 In Hotel Bills And Living Costs?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5951519/Grenfell-Tower-fraudsters-jailed-total-six-years.html

Will they be kicked out after they have served their sentence? I very much doubt it, we have become a laughing stock.

[mushroom25]

the politically enlightened would probably tell you that the odd fraud perpetrated in the wake of tragedy is "the cost of collective compassion".

[jackthehat]

Some people will try to take advantage of any situation.
It's good news that these two have been caught and imprisoned. Hopefully, they will be deported once their sentences have been served...

[murraymints]

it beggars belief....sigh...always will be ..ditto jack !

[fiction-factory]

It certainly seems ridiculous that the council were not able, or failed, to check the couple's claim against the list of authorised tenants.

[jackthehat]

That's the trouble, f-f; sub-letting was rife in the block. No wonder it took so long to identify the dead...

[sanmac]

Some on here always proclaim that education is the answer. Here is a situation which proves that they are correct: This pair were well educated in the ways and means of milking and bilking the system.

[fiction-factory]

Yes, it was a major problem. I'm still not sure why the council felt it had any obligations to anyone who wasn't an authorised tenant

[jackthehat]

I think abandoning people who, although they had lost everything in the fire including family-members, were illegally sub-letting would have appeared inhuman on the world-stage. I imagine some of these tenants probably weren't even aware it was an illegal sub-let....

[murraymints]

so much sub letting goes on in London ! as per Jack

[New Judge]

"I imagine some of these tenants probably weren't even aware it was an illegal sub-let...."

Yeah, right!

Most of the people in these situations know every nook, cranny and crevice of the "system" that shells out countless £squillions of taxpayers' hard earned to house, feed and clothe them. If it looked inhuman on the world stage it might serve to deter some of the hundreds of thousands clamouring to get here. They were granted "social" housing because they needed somewhere to live not so that they could become buy-to-let (or rather no-rent-to let) entrepreneurs.

[jourdain2]

I can't see why someone's ability to be erudite would be influenced by their political decisions.

[Spicerack]

Thick left-wingers pounced on and weaponised this tragedy from day one. Literally assaulting council staff.
No doubt placing themselves front and centre in the reperations scam. How many fraudsters have been uncovered, 40? 50? (so far)
You can multiply that figure by 100,000 if the thick, useless Labour Party ever get control of the nation's finances again.
I don't have much time for fraudulent immigrants but they're way too clever for our dull, indigenous lefties.

[New Judge]

Yes I dare say Karl Marx was considered "erudite" in his day.

Mt erudition does, to a degree, extend to my views on the EU, vengar. I am probably one of the few AB-ers who has read the entire Lisbon Treaty (which, after all, is what we are attempting to extract ourselves from) and I also know quite a bit about what membership of the Single Market and the Customs Union means. It doesn't make my view (or my vote) carry any more weight than anybody else's. However, as you may find, I tend to take umbrage when I'm told that when I voted Leave I didn't know what I was voting for or that because i did so I am in some way intellectually challenged.

[jourdain2]

Here, here N.J..

[jourdain2]

It won't do as much damage as staying in the EU will eventually do. Short-term damage is all.

[jourdain2]

Don't be downhearted, vengar. :) Over 90% of British businesses do no trade with the E.U.. As for the protests by Airbus etc. - well Airbuses can't fly without wings and there are hundreds of thousands of European jobs depending on us to make the wings. Impossible to set up factories quickly, so a heck of a lot of redundancies over there unless they see sense. Just one example.

I used to live in France and have seen the deadening effect of the E.U. at first-hand. My area voted almost 100% F.N. and would vote for a 'Frexit'. It's a metropolitan vs. country thing again, same as here. Anyway, this is not a Brexit thread, so my apologies to A.O.G. for responding to you and I'll keep quiet now.