Was It In Order For This Bus Driver To Ask His Passenger To Remove Her Veil?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6046771/Bus-driver-demanded-Muslim-woman-removed-veil-got-board.html

[margarettom]

Since there seem to be endless arguments in various threads on AB, maybe we should have a referendum to see how many British people think the burka/niqab should be banned or not in the UK. Though, judging by the result of the Brexit referendum, this would not make much difference, as one set of people would not accept the result and would argue on.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// Perhaps you meant to ask 'Should Bus companies change their rules?' ///

I don't suppose there are any rules appertaining to passengers, being allowed or not allowed to wear the
niqab on First Bus vehicles.

/// First Bus has now apologised, saying the driver made a huge mistake and has been censured through the company's disciplinary procedures. ///

That is the usual appeasement statement we have come to expect if anyone dares to upset Islam.

See my 15:15 Fri 10th Aug 2018 post, which no one has chosen to answer as yet.

[jackthehat]

You don't seem to understand, AOG,
There are *no* rules at present, and so the woman wasn't contravening any. She was embarassed and humiliated by the driver's request and (regardless of your opinion) she wasn't doing anything wrong.
And I would say the same about any sort of circumstance where someone was instructed to do 'something' on the say-so of a single person lacking any sort of authority to do so.

See my question at 15.17, requesting clarification of yours at 15.15....

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// Everything else is
conjecture ///

As is:

/// and it was against bus company policy. ///

[Zacs-Master]

Then how were the bus company able to disciplin the driver, AOG?

Anyway, I'm glad to see you agree that everything else is conjecture and opinion.

[Mamyalynne]

Trying to fathom your @ 15.15 comment - the best I can offer is...

I don't support any one religion or group of society, I like to think I am fair minded over all.

[Mamyalynne]

Is there really?

We've hardly been introduced and you think you know me - how forward.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// Then how were the bus company able to disciplin the driver, AOG? ///

Because they chose to do so, just the same as those who wish to discipline Boris, just because he as also dared to offended the 'religion of peace'.

[SlackAlice]

Ex London bus driver here.
As far as I am aware the bus driver although employed by First Bus would have been operating under applicable TFLs rules and procedures.
There is no rule to ask for a veil, niqab, burka or balaclava to be removed to board the bus. All the person needs is a valid ticket/travelcard. Any fraudulent use of a card is not the drivers problem, thats for the revenue inspectors to ascertain.

Driver should have been reported and had a Disciplinary Meeting and retrained where necessary. Might have resulted in a sacking, dependent on his previous work record.

It is not illegal to video on board a bus

[Zacs-Master]

'Because they chose to do so'

But they must have had something to base the disciplinary procedure on, or the RMT would have been shouting 'unfair'.

The woman had done nothing wrong. The bus driver did. If you can't see than then you need to take a pause and take a long hard look at yourself and your opinions.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

One doesn't have to be introduced to a person, so as to be able to create an opinion of that person.

[Mamyalynne]

Much as you are welcome to form thoughts about me, please be careful what you put in print (No, I didn't report it, actually I'd rather it had stayed - said much more about you than it did me).

[fender62]

how would the driver know know if she was the person in the photo
assuming the person had a photo within the id of themselves ?
without a veil or do they not have show their faces in id's either including passports..