Was This Church Of England School Right To Ban Rastafarian Dreadlocks?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6161817/Rastafarian-boy-12-wins-discrimination-case-dreadlocks-ban.html

Once more it seems that we have been forced to back down from our rules in English dress code, so as to fit in with other cultures.

[anotheoldgit]

Rockrose

/// OK I haven't read all the responses as the last 2 pages appears to be 2/3 users having a pop at a Mod
(no surprise there) ///

One could also say "a Mod having a pop at 2/3 users".

A prime example why Mods should never take sides in debate.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // Rockrose

/// OK I haven't read all the responses as the last 2 pages appears to be 2/3 users having a pop at a Mod
(no surprise there) ///

One could also say "a Mod having a pop at 2/3 users".

A prime example why Mods should never take sides in debate. //

You have raised this point before, I have responded before, but here we go again -

Moderators are AB users the same as everyone else.

They are not required to take some sort of oath of impartiality in their posting - only in their moderating, the two are separate and distinct.

I have not 'had a pop' at anyone, I have defended myself against a personal attack, something which you of all people should understand and support, given your regular complaints when attacks come in your direction.

I post as an AB'er, I moderate as a Moderator - as do any and all of my Moderator colleagues.

The two are not connected.

I hope this puts the issue to rest.

[ToraToraTora]

auntlydia 17:42, bang on, there is no way they can be clean.

[Rockrose]

No AOG you have that round the wrong way

[naomi24]

I'm still waiting for an explanation of the covert racism accusation.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // I'm still waiting for an explanation of the covert racism accusation. //

Better out the kettle on and get the crossword out then ...

[andy-hughes]

That should be 'put' - auto text correction again, to save you the bother of correcting me on that as well.

[jackthehat]

///.............there is no way they can be clean. ///

They are *but* what, on earth, does that have to do with anything at all in the context of the school/court case?

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // auntlydia 17:42, bang on, there is no way they can be clean. //

Have you come within 'smelling distance' of many Rastas - to back up your claim?

I have to refute it.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes at 11:53, okay, a spurious accusation then ... and I wasn't correcting you. I was simply ensuring that your mistakes weren't perceived as mine.

[ToraToraTora]

stands to reason AH, they are made with grease, grease attracts dirt, they cannot be washed in the normal way, soaking in soapy water will have little effect.

[jackthehat]

Even if that was true, he wouldn't be the first 12-year old boy to go to school with less-than-wholesome-hair.....

Perhaps those boys ought to be asked to shave their heads, too?

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // stands to reason AH, they are made with grease, grease attracts dirt, they cannot be washed in the normal way, soaking in soapy water will have little effect. //

The debate is about the style and length of this child's hair, and whether or not the issue about his style being banned was correct or not.

We are not debating the cleanliness of dreadlocks - you'll need to start another thread on Body And Soul for that.

[Old_Geezer]

It's not the school's job to ferret out those who will not comply with rules once in, before offering a place, it is up to the applicant to ensure they'll comply.

It ought not be illegal to have rules, since we've already heard that this can't be discrimination because the rule applies to all. Some folk are supporting special pleading/cases.

One's religion shouldn't have priority over rules or laws that are otherwise ok and applied to all. One should never have rules or laws that apply to most but not all simply because of some individual's religious faith, no matter what the excuse.

[andy-hughes]

Old_Geezer - // It ought not be illegal to have rules, since we've already heard that this can't be discrimination because the rule applies to all. Some folk are supporting special pleading/cases. //

It's not illegal to have rules.

It is however, illegal to discriminate against an individual on the grounds of race or religion.

// One's religion shouldn't have priority over rules or laws that are otherwise ok and applied to all. One should never have rules or laws that apply to most but not all simply because of some individual's religious faith, no matter what the excuse. //

If you re-read the link, you will see that the school withdrew education from this child pending his aquiesence to its uniform policy, and that is against the law - as the school found out.

The rule is intended to prevent pupils attending with 'fashion' haircuts - this is not a fashion haircut, as the court pointed out.

It's really easy to say that this is 'England giving in to foregin culture ...' - easy, but inaccurate.

[SparklyKid]

It's really easy to say that this is 'England giving in to foregin culture ...' - easy, but inaccurate.


13:44 Fri 14th Sep 2018



I would say that was true. What next , pupils turning up with plastic spiral horns on their foreheads because they belong to "the sanctified new church of the revered unicorn"

[jackthehat]

LoL.....
Nothing like keeping things in perspective......and that^ is nothing like keeping things in perspective!

[ToraToraTora]

"The debate is about the style and length of this child's hair, and whether or not the issue about his style being banned was correct or not" - correct but you asked me to back up my claim that they are dirty, as you are now trying to avoid this point can I assume you are now in agreement that they are?

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // … but you asked me to back up my claim that they are dirty, as you are now trying to avoid this point can I assume you are now in agreement that they are? //


By 'they' I assume you mean deadlocks?

No I can't agree that they are - that is a blanket generalisation, and I try and avoid those.

As I have said, the Rastas I have met have all been clean, including their hair, but I am sure there are less-clean ones about - as there are in every strata of society.

Do I agree that dreadlocks are dirty? the answer is no - based on experience of mixing with people with them, not by making assumptions about them.

[Sqad]

It would be interesting to know if Eton, Harrow or any of the elite English public schools had a ruling against dreadlocks.
If so, then after this court ruling, it would be interesting to see what changes are made.
No I realise it has little to do with the question, but i thought that it might be of some interest...........or not.