What A Surprise?

[Sqad]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6194843/Two-friends-London-East-End-school-different-lives.html

Two friends, involved in an educational experiment where on was sent to Rugby School and the other followed the state system. I will let you read what happened.
Not all lower class pupils can go to public School, but at least decades ago the Grammar school education was available only to be replaced by the Comprehensive system
Equal opportunity is the key, coupled with discipline, hard work and determination, which is the ethics of the Public Schools and was the ethics of the Grammar Schools.
Determination, opportunity and discipline........

[albaqwerty]

unfortunately, determination, discipline and opportunity have gone by the wayside.

Especially determination and discipline

[retrocop]

That picture paints a thousand words Squad.
Very reminiscent of the film,"The Guinea Pig" witha young looking Richard Attenborough. I believe that social experiment was a failure.

[Sqad]

I never understood abolishing the Grammar Schools as they were a vehicle for boys of poor parents to get a good education. Some of the Grammar Schools were as good if not better than the lesser known Public Schools.

[Old_Geezer]

Moulding of character rather than opportunity per se may be the larger influence. One is in a place where, possibly, peers may mess about and teachers struggle to get them to take anything in, the other is in a place where kids feel a need to behave and take advantage of having a teacher, maybe. Outlooks change.

[anneasquith]

Girls also attended grammar schools .

[douglas9401]

Indeed they did, Anne, and now they have penises. :-)

[Sqad]

LOL...^^^

[anneasquith]

That's education for you Douglas :-)

[rowanwitch]

I think the biggest differences will be discipline, and a system that stresses personal responsibility. You get that right the learning side has a chance to blossom

[sp1814]

...and access to the best facilities, best teaching staff, teacher/pupil ratios etc.

[tamborine]

3 white middle class boys from local grammar aged 13 held up & robbed asian shop keeper; they went to prison. School taught them planning for theft.

[ladybirder]

Oh Douglas that's your best one yet. Sides splitting here. XX

[anotheoldgit]

I don't think that it is all down to education, their are plenty of ex university educated upper-class criminals in our prisons.

No matter what type of upbringing one has, it is all down to the individual, if they choice to be law-abiding or non law-abiding.

[Spicerack]

Some politicians believe passionately in the Comprehensive system.
They send their own kids to Public school but, you know, the thought's there.

[woofgang]

The big gap I see in that story is no mention at all of Stephen's family apart from the fact that they were religious. David's mum is described as a qualified nurse and "very positive"
I absolutely get that both came from the same very disadvantaged background, much worse than my own, but I too (and my sisters) were products of a working class council house home and went to grammar school. I can say without doubt that the school is not enough without the home support and upbringing....even as a child it was easy to spot the kids in my year whose parents didn't care or support them....and they weren't the least bright ones either.

[bednobs]

Grammar schools still exist.

[sp1814]

A good education opens the opportunities to a stable career which leads to the funds required to get you what you need.

A lack of education coupled with environmental instigators are a good way to tempt someone to crime.

AOG wrote that their (sic) are plenty of ex-university upper class criminals in priority.

We cannot take that as read - we don’t know if proportionally there are more university-educated, and the ‘upper class’ locked up tha. The proportion of the poor and less well off.

Figures need to be presented to prove that point.

[sp1814]

For ‘priority’ read ‘prison’.

[New Judge]

My response at 11:58 on Tuesday 11th Sep explains my views on this Grammar Schools:

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1623174.html#answer-11670181

[AuntLydia]

This experiment would have had more credence had the two boys been twins living in the same household,same parental support blah blah. A Public/Private school education does not preclude anyone from following a criminal path.
Who knows? The boy who ended up in prison could still have ended up in prison had he gone to Rugby school, just a different offence. The boy who did go to Rugby school, had he been left in state education probably would have gone on to get 3 or 4 A Levels and still gone to Warwick Uni.
Three of my children have been or are at private school. The one that did not go to private school, or University for 4 years , has got the best job and earning the most money of his siblings that are working. There are kids at my youngest child's private school that despite marvelous opportunities and support at school could be described as 'bad 'uns and could potentially be the next Bernard Madoff, who knows.