Is Everyone Enjoying The Labour Party Conference As Much As Me?

[ToraToraTora]

Hilarious!

[jackthehat]

Yup.....not really 'news' as such, though is it? More a personal opinion so don't have another tantrum when it gets moved to a different section, will you?

[Old_Geezer]

Not taken much notice of it, save from the suicide decision to have remain on the fantasy future referendum. Make them unelectable and unfit for office, and leaves them hoping that the normal folk split their vote between a true exit party and the Tories, thus letting them in to do untold damage and risk civil unrest.

[-Talbot-]

I dunno...can you give me a yardstick?

[ichkeria]

You’re working overtime tonight

[ToraToraTora]

I don't want to neglect my public ich!

[gulliver1]

TGT don't you think you ought get out more ,or maybe you are watching too much Tv, ever thought of joing a club, or reading a few books, all these things help keep the Brain active.

[Spicerack]

Your's got too active, gully, and ran away.

[Zacs-Master]

Not really. We need a credible ‘other’ party to challenge the status quo. Anyone who thinks the current situation is amusing is a bit naive.

[ToraToraTora]

What happened to Labour would win next time then? Not your view perhaps ZM but many on here seem to think Labour would win a GE now.

[jim360]

The Tories aren't exactly much better off, really. By rights, Labour *should* be winning the next GE. It's a travesty of the present state of politics that they (a) probably won't win the next GE, and (b) maybe it's even better that they don't, given the current leadership.

[Zacs-Master]

So you’re saying Labour are ‘hilarious’ but you think people might vote for them and they’ll be the next Govt?

[ToraToraTora]

yes the twaddle they come out with is hilarious but I find it more hilarious that there are people who given what they must know about the Labour party still intend to vote for them. They waved Palestinian flags at the conference! They are demonstrably racist, anti semitic, fascist, brutal bullies of their own MPs, anti British!, there leader supports all that and is an ex communist bloc agent. What do they have to do to put Labour voters off?

[ToraToraTora]

...almost forgot, COB and the QM are supporters of at least 3 terrorist organisations to boot! Un - believable

[Zacs-Master]

But that’s no reason to be amused. Our current political situation means that the incumbent Govt can do as they please, as is being witnessed with Brexit. Again, if you find the situation humorous, I’d suggest you don’t quite ‘get’ it.

[jim360]

Where do Labour voters go instead? Perhaps that will help answer your own question.

[fender62]

they really are unelectable, the waving of palestinian flags, corbyn to throw x billions at more child care, unfettered migration for the unskilled as it's racist an inhumane not to allow them as well as skilled
going to need a lot more skilled people then, to keep all the unskilled that they will let in on benefits, tax credits, child care, nhs schools...there is just no end to the lunacy.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "Where do Labour voters go instead? Perhaps that will help answer your own question. " - I accept their difficulty but how can they vote for such a shower? I hope for their sakes that sensible Labour split away somehow. Labour are the opposition and yes they do have a chance off attaining power but I hope for our country sakes the people see sense. Yes perhaps hilarity is misplaced but I use it to highlight the position of what Labour has become. TBH I'm not really enamoured with the Tories but I do not see any of the traits above afflicting them to such a degree.

[jim360]

I'm not sure I'd call myself a Labour voter anyway, per se -- it's just that in the last two elections, tactical considerations have compelled me to vote for them. I suspect it will be similar in the next election, particularly if it's sooner rather than later (although it will depend on the constituency I'm in).

But, in the end, both main parties end up with a great deal of support from voters who would vote for their chosen party regardless of its present state.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: You would disregard all the traits of the current Labour party? Do their current extremist positions not matter at all to you?

[jim360]

In the last two elections, I was more concerned about (1) trying to stop the SNP from winning all 59 Scottish seats, and in a constituency where Labour were the best-placed to win, voting Labour seemed correct; and (2) doing essentially the same thing, while also wanting to avoid a Tory landslide. For both of these objectives, voting Labour was the only logical option -- not because I wanted to see a Labour government, particularly, but because they were best-placed to stop parties I wanted to win even less.

The same might be true in 2022, or even earlier if there's another snap election. Certainly one can't examine Labour in isolation, decide that they are not fit for government, and therefore vote Tory with no analysis of that party. In addition, there are local factors to consider, such as which MP I was voting for. If I were to find myself in Keir Starmer's seat I'd vote for him; if instead I were in Corbyn's seat I might vote Lib Dem or whatever just to spite the guy.

In practice I'll probably end up north of the border again, in which case I'll be heavily motivated by trying to keep the SNP out, as I would rather see us remain a United Kingdom, thanks very much. If that means voting Labour to achieve that end, so be it. But until such time as we have a voting system that makes it worth my while voting *for* a party rather than *against* one, then how good or bad Labour is as a party is fairly low on my list of priorities at the ballot box, to be honest.